PLA 39th Army Group maneuvering close to North Korean Border

China does not want U.S. troops in N. Korea period, therefore, it will pre-empt any justification for U.S. presence by formally (via UNSC Mandate, or unilaterally) occupying key N. Korean nuclear infrastructure installation with Chinese special forces.

It would make any attempt by U.S. to insert herself in the N. Korean drama to be unnecessarily destabilizing, as most of the rogue nuclear material (WMD pretext so often used by US) would be under the very safe hands of PLA special forces.

There would be no joint-enterprise to begin with - China is trying to evict U.S. influence from Korean peninsula, it's not interested in jointly eradicating the only paper treaty alliance it has on earth.

Phead128 said:

China does not want U.S. troops in N. Korea period, therefore, it will pre-empt any justification for U.S. presence by formally (via UNSC Mandate, or unilaterally) occupying key N. Korean nuclear infrastructure installation with Chinese special forces.

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True statement, and it's doubtful there will be any US troops on the Korean peninsula past reunification; China doesn't want them, and a united Korea need China too much to rock the boat. It's entirely believable there would be a demilitarized border between China and post reunification Korea.

It would make any attempt by U.S. to insert herself in the N. Korean drama to be unnecessarily destabilizing, as most of the rogue nuclear material (WMD pretext so often used by US) would be under the very safe hands of PLA special forces.

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The most stable outcome is for Joint military operation to secure DPRK nuclear stockpiles. America wouldn't accept anything less, and it doesn't hurt China to accommodate.

There would be no joint-enterprise to begin with - China is trying to evict U.S. influence from Korean peninsula, it's not interested in jointly eradicating the only paper treaty alliance it has on earth.

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China will get its way by making ROK an offer to ease North Korea into its tender embrace in exchange for US troops off the peninsula after the reunification. President Park would probably accept.

Phead128 said:

China does not want U.S. troops in N. Korea period, therefore, it will pre-empt any justification for U.S. presence by formally (via UNSC Mandate, or unilaterally) occupying key N. Korean nuclear infrastructure installation with Chinese special forces.

It would make any attempt by U.S. to insert herself in the N. Korean drama to be unnecessarily destabilizing, as most of the rogue nuclear material (WMD pretext so often used by US) would be under the very safe hands of PLA special forces.
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I was speaking specifically to a joint mission to stabilize/secure the nuclear material.

Beyond that, you are not going to get the US to just disappear. If you think that is going to happen, then you have a basic non-starter. Far too much blood and treasure has been invested in the relationship on both sides between SKOR and the US, and far too much technology transferred. South Korea will insure that the US needs are part of the calculation before ever making a deal with China about reunification.

You speak of the paper treaty that China has with North Korea. Well, the South Koreans have an equally strong one with the US as well.

As I say, the US and its needs will be a part of any negotiation, plan, or mission to reunite North and South Korea. Take that to the bank. Without it, it simply will not happen, just as it would not happen without China's involvement.

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China can use her foreign reserves ($3.2Trillion) to purchase Korean treasury bonds/Korean government debt, which is used to finance NK reconstruction. You don't seem to know what foreign reserves are used for.

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If you want to finance NK reconstruction, use CDB. foreign reserves are not there here to finance reconstructions

Plus, China can gain unrival economic influence in Unified Korea with $3.2 trillion dollars of foreign reserves to assist in NK reconstruction

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China already have some economic influence in East-Asia without using a single dollar of their foreign reserves.

- just as China gains economic/political influence by holding massive amounts of U.S. treasury debt.

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Really?? what economic/political influence??

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You don't mobolize 100,000 troops near Sinuiju unless you are making a statement, and that statement is: "Do not use WMD pretext to topple N. Korea.

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if there is an Admonition, it is addressed more to NK than to SK/USA.

N. Korea is CHINESE sphere of influence!!

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When someone is actually influenced, he obeys. This is not the case of NK.

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China already installed a Chinese version of "Stuxnet virus" to pre-empt rogue nuclear warheads in an unapproved offensive war, just as U.S. had the source code for Siemens designed industrial control systems, China has the source code for AQ Khan supplied Pakistani technologies to N. Korea.

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China is using N. Korea to probe the red line (tolerance level) of ROK-US alliance, and apparently, they could take a giant boot up their butt and still laugh it off as if their 'Asian Pivot' is still effective.

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What red line?? NK is rebellious to Beijing authority...

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China does not want U.S. troops in N. Korea period,

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And the US certainly do not want to go there

therefore, it will pre-empt any justification for U.S. presence by formally (via UNSC Mandate, or unilaterally) occupying key N. Korean nuclear infrastructure installation with Chinese special forces.

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China will rather conspire with them

There would be no joint-enterprise to begin with - China is trying to evict U.S. influence from Korean peninsula,

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I think it it's a myth but, Can you explain how china does it??

it's not interested in jointly eradicating the only paper treaty alliance it has on earth

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I wonder what this alliance has brought to China

Phead-

The US isn't like Imperial Japan, and we have no territorial ambitions on the Asian continent. NONE. The main issue at hand is how to work out a set of accommodations where;

1) China feels secured in both her continental and sea lanes of communication
2) The U.S. and China are "primus inter pares" in Asia (we're a Pacific nation and we're not going anywhere, no matter what China wants)
3) Asian nations, especially Japan, can feel secure with US presence and enjoy economic development/prosperity with China. The alternative is escalating strategic rivalry between US and China that serves no one's best interest.

Asia has enjoyed unprecedented peace and prosperity in the last 40 years, due to American supremacy in the area, but that's coming to an end, because China no longer accepts the status quo. So now it's up to the main players in the region to work out a scheme that wouldn't make everyone 100% happy, but everyone will accept. It is in that light US, China, and ROK must work out their differences on Korean reunification and security of DPRK nuclear stockpile. China will accommodate the US in that matter, because it is in her interest to do so.

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Bottomline: There will be a Sino-American war over Korea if United States does not accept unilateral troop movements of China to stabilize/secure North Korean strategic assets in the event of a rebellion, not unlike how First Sino-Japanese war erupted when Japan challenged unilateral Qing Chinese troops sent to supress the Donghawk rebellion at Joseon request.

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Okay, Phead, you have been asked to stop beating the war drums, and it was an official Moderator Instruction. You have chosen to not do so, but continue to want to draw this conversation into a military confrontation between the US and China if your version of events does not transpire.

You are hearby issued a one week SUSPENSION from SD. When you come back, please try to not get so heated, definitely stop beating the war drums, and abide by Moderator Instructions.

Well, all this talk... there is actual the winter training which took place on 1/11/14 to 1/18/14, looks to be fairly routine.

Here is video of the training in 2014


Why it is routine, here is article about the same sort of training, around early January near NK boarder in 2013


and 2012...


2011...


well, you get the point. The unit's training area is near the NK boarder and they train in early January, cause it dead winter. Hence the name Winter Training. People are making a big deal out of it this year, cause of the situation in NK. But really, it just much to do about nothing, they go there practically every year. The training is over now. the units has gone back to base...

In any case, training in -30C weather doesn't look fun, especially for the foot soldiers...