Peru is buying Chinese tanks

Seems to me there is a stubben percerption that the 125mm gun and ammunation on MBT 2000 is gonna be similiar to T 72 gun and ammo that preformed badly? I dont believe Chinese military are gonna settle for ammo that cannot defeat Western tanks?!

according to Peruvian blogs MBT 2000 has two years to fully meet expections like firing missiles from gun.

Perhaps this is the real VT-1A version that will deliver to Peru armour.



Compare to currently what Peru army parade. Actually the VT-1A currently Peru army have looks lightly armour.

Other than what has already been discussed. Another reason why Peru may have chosen the VT-1A is because it is an unknown. Peru's main functional requirements is to replace the T-55 with a capable tank which will act as a deterence against invasion or conflict with her neighbors. The VT-1A is a capable and cost effective solution while at the same time is an unknown in actual combat. It will be foolish to underestimate of capabilities of the VT-1A and this will act as deterence for any adversaries.

Pointblank said:

I would agree; the Chinese tank would not fair that well against the Chilean Leopard 2's, and there are other options available that can be had at a better price that would provide more capability. Remember, the Indians paid roughly 3.5 million dollars each for their T-90 tanks, and they had them licensed produced in India.

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Can you please provide evidence from a reliable source for your argument?
Please state the optionS that are "CHEAPER" and "better" than the VT-1, and how would you know another tank is better when they were never fought against each other?

No need for evidence when you have prejudice!

RedMercury said:

No need for evidence when you have prejudice!

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I agree. If that guy want to boast about Russian tank. Please go Russian defense forum. Don't forget where you are.

Pointblank said:

I would agree; the Chinese tank would not fair that well against the Chilean Leopard 2's, and there are other options available that can be had at a better price that would provide more capability. Remember, the Indians paid roughly 3.5 million dollars each for their T-90 tanks, and they had them licensed produced in India.

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The main thing now is that we do not know what package the Chinese is selling to Peru. Are the Chinese only selling the tanks or also the maintenance thingies, the license to produce those tank locally... technology transfer? Also would the Russian offer the same as they offer to the Indians?

I believe that I have posted this before, but I will post it again, T-90 are T-72 variants, very advance but still basically a T-72. And T-72 don't fair well against Leo 2.

Dolcevita said:

Other than what has already been discussed. Another reason why Peru may have chosen the VT-1A is because it is an unknown. Peru's main functional requirements is to replace the T-55 with a capable tank which will act as a deterence against invasion or conflict with her neighbors. The VT-1A is a capable and cost effective solution while at the same time is an unknown in actual combat. It will be foolish to underestimate of capabilities of the VT-1A and this will act as deterence for any adversaries.

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Not a good idea to have an unknown in your own hands. If you don't know how well it performs in combat, you could end up with some very heavy losses.

sidewinder01 said:

Can you please provide evidence from a reliable source for your argument?
Please state the optionS that are "CHEAPER" and "better" than the VT-1, and how would you know another tank is better when they were never fought against each other?

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Used tanks? As I said, the used tank market is extremely competitive, for lightly used and well maintained tanks.

The Polish did sell 48 modernized PT-91M and 15 support vehicles to Malaysia plus ammunition, spares and support for $370 million USD or roughly $5 million per tank. If you stripped out the ammunition, spares and support contract, it is much lower (usual budgetary estimates as to how much the cost for ammo, spares and support is usually 100% or more of the value of the vehicle).

rhino123 said:

The main thing now is that we do not know what package the Chinese is selling to Peru. Are the Chinese only selling the tanks or also the maintenance thingies, the license to produce those tank locally... technology transfer? Also would the Russian offer the same as they offer to the Indians?

I believe that I have posted this before, but I will post it again, T-90 are T-72 variants, very advance but still basically a T-72. And T-72 don't fair well against Leo 2.

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A mishandled and heavily outdated T-72 won't fair very well against any opponent; the T-72 series, if kept up to date and is handled by well trained and skilled professionals, will perform extremely well against any opponent.

Pointblank said:

Not a good idea to have an unknown in your own hands. If you don't know how well it performs in combat, you could end up with some very heavy losses.

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Sorry I was not clear. The tank you have is of course known to you. I meant unknown to your adversaries. The rule is know your strength and weaknesses as well as your adversaries'. In this case, you know the strength and weaknesses of the Leopard but your adversaries do not know your possible strength and weaknesses.

Pointblank said:

A mishandled and heavily outdated T-72 won't fair very well against any opponent; the T-72 series, if kept up to date and is handled by well trained and skilled professionals, will perform extremely well against any opponent.

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A mishandled tank of any kind is not going to fair very well against any opponents. A T-72 in the hand of very well trained soldiers would give Leo 2 a fight of its life... might not win, but the battle can be hell to the Leo 2. In WWII, the germans had technologically superior tank to the Russian force, but in the end, the Russian gave hell to the germans.

Leo 2 and T-90 no doubt are good tanks, but they are not invincible... plus T-90 being a variant of T-72, might also share some of the weaknesses of T-72, thus when faring against Leo 2, they might stand at an disadvantage.

Leo 2 on the other hand is being used by Chile already and so Chile had more experience with that tank... they might even know some operational or tactical disadvantage of Leo 2 so by buying Leo 2, Peru had an disadvantage against the Chileans.

Finally Chinese Tanks are quite new to both Chileans and Peru... however Peru had the advantage due to the fact that they actually used Russian tanks before, and although VT-1A might not be based on the old russian tanks, the Chinese operating procedure are still quite similar to the Russian's so it is easier to get a hand on.

Plus like I say before, no one know what is the actual package that the Chinese wanted to sell Peru... we couldn't just see the tank as individual unit. The package might include license to build, technology transfer, etc.