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Al-Khorayef discusses localization of aviation industry in Saudi Arabia with Brazil's Embraer​

SAO PAULO — Minister of Industry and Mineral Resources Bandar Al-Khorayef held discussions with Executive Vice President of Strategy and Innovation at Embraer, Dimas Douglas Tomlin, which focused on enhancing cooperation to localize the aviation industry in Saudi Arabia.

The discussions touched on benefiting from the company’s expertise in this field, including aircraft manufacturing, assembly and maintenance, within the framework of Saudi Arabia's efforts aimed to diversifying its economy and developing new and advanced industries in the country.

The minister's tour included a visit to the company's facilities in Ozires Silva, Eugenio de Melo, and Gavião Peixoto, where commercial and military aircraft, helicopters and electric aircraft are manufactured, in addition to its research and engineering center.

Embraer was founded in 1969, and provides a comprehensive range of services, including design, manufacturing and maintenance. It operates in markets across the Americas, Africa, Asia, and Europe, and has delivered more than 8,000 aircraft to the commercial aviation sector.

Negotiations between Saudi Arabia and the company began during the Saudi-Brazilian Aviation Forum in 2023, and in May 2024, Embraer, the National Industrial Development Center (NIDC), and AHQ Group signed a memorandum of understanding to enhance the aviation ecosystem in Saudi Arabia, with a focus on adopting Embraer aircraft, technological cooperation, and developing supply chains. This partnership is in line with the Saudi Vision 2030, and includes the E21 family’s evaluation of a new regional airline project.

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I still rate these reports as highly questionable and the biggest problem is, there is one original source (A) in arabic, which is quoted by source B, re-reported by source C and finally again by A!

Even more so, neither MilitaryWatchMagazine nor the DefenceBlog are credible and trustworthy sites ... at bet they post almost everything with the touch of being "confirmed", typical click-bait sites!

It would be a major turn in Egyptian procurement since last I heard the US was trying to sell them the F-15 and F-16 upgrades.
The F-16s were supposed to get AIM-120 capability.

If anyone tries to buy j10 expect caatsa sanctions to trigger in 3, 2, 1...

That's why countries like Egypt, which is trying to stay chummy with both sides, are not likely to go for chinese arms.
Besides, Egypt already tried to order Su-35, and that famously fell through once the US applied caatsa pressure.

China is not in the CAATSA dirty list (yet).
Although the US already sabotaged the sale of Chinese SAMs to Turkey in the past.

true, caatsa is currently worded so it specifically focuses on russia iran and nk.
But that can easily change. It can literally take a single attempt by China to sell its wares to a customer that the US regards as theirs.

Case in point: egypt. In 2015 it ordered 46 mig29 from russia. Those started getting delivered from 2017. All were delivered eventually.
Caatsa went into effect in the mean time.
In 2018 egypt ordered su35 but that fell through.

I hope you don't mind, but with all this CAATSA and politics or why Egypt should/could or not purchase J-10CEs and how likely it is, I moved all the latest posts into this thread, since it is no longer directly related to the J-10 & PLAAF


However I beg to think at first: From all I know - and as such it would be most interesting to know what's the true wording of this statement - we know they "signed an agreement pursuing collaboration in advanced fighter development"... even more so what is meant with "collaboration in advanced fighter development"? Maybe just some studies, local production of certain items, concepts to cooperate for future systems or indeed as IMO made-up "local production and ToT"?

And so in fact we know only they "signed an agreement pursuing collaboration in advanced fighter development", but the media reports thsi already as a given fact as if Egypt is in negotiations for at least 12 J-20, those J-10CEs will be manufactured locally in Egypt with full ToT and also the same is for the upcoming J-31 production, which is IMO totally made up by the typical suspects and their accompanying fan-boy cheerleaders in the social media!

The biggest problem therefore is, neither MilitaryWatchMagazine nor the DefenceBlog and especially not BulgarianMilitary are credible and trustworthy sites ... at best they post almost everything with the touch of being "confirmed", typical click-bait sites!

And so for this there is one original source (A) in arabic of at best a vague content, which is quoted by source (B), re-reported by source (C) in a made-up form, quoted by (D) as "we heard from reliable sources" and so on ... finally to be repeated again by source (A) claiming we already knew it!!

Deino said:

I hope you don't mind, but with all this CAATSA and politics or why Egypt should/could or not purchase J-10CEs and how likely it is, I moved all the latest posts into this thread, since it is no longer directly related to the J-10 & PLAAF


However I beg to think at first: From all I know - and as such it would be most interesting to know what's the true wording of this statement - we know they "signed an agreement pursuing collaboration in advanced fighter development"... even more so what is meant with "collaboration in advanced fighter development"? Maybe just some studies, local production of certain items, concepts to cooperate for future systems or indeed as IMO made-up "local production and ToT"?

And so in fact we know only they "signed an agreement pursuing collaboration in advanced fighter development", but the media reports thsi already as a given fact as if Egypt is in negotiations for at least 12 J-20, those J-10CEs will be manufactured locally in Egypt with full ToT and also the same is for the upcoming J-31 production, which is IMO totally made up by the typical suspects and their accompanying fan-boy cheerleaders in the social media!

The biggest problem therefore is, neither MilitaryWatchMagazine nor the DefenceBlog and especially not BulgarianMilitary are credible and trustworthy sites ... at best they post almost everything with the touch of being "confirmed", typical click-bait sites!

And so for this there is one original source (A) in arabic of at best a vague content, which is quoted by source (B), re-reported by source (C) in a made-up form, quoted by (D) as "we heard from reliable sources" and so on ... finally to be repeated again by source (A) claiming we already knew it!!

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Even if the news is true, which I highly doubt, it's likely just a pressure tactic to secure a better deal from the US and the French.
The J-10C will indeed offer a reliable Beyond Visual Range (BVR) capability, especially considering the number of Egyptian F-16s without AMRAAM missiles. However, I doubt the US will allow such a deal.