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So after another series of Air strikes by Israel the Syrians proved again that they seem totally inept on controlling there Anti aircraft missiles. Firing them off like fireworks.
One S200 missile apparently made a dash unguided all the way to Cyprus where it crashed into a mountain.
 

Brumby

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So after another series of Air strikes by Israel the Syrians proved again that they seem totally inept on controlling there Anti aircraft missiles. Firing them off like fireworks.
One S200 missile apparently made a dash unguided all the way to Cyprus where it crashed into a mountain.

Missiles relying on some kind of guidance seriously going off course is rare but do happen. There is an example of US when it deployed HARM in Kosovo ended up in another country.

In this case, jamming could have broken the lock and once without guidance it just go looking for one. In the case of HARM I believe subsequent iterations had limitations placed on it to prevent it seriously going off course. Those S200 I understand are basically quite outdated.
 

Khalij e Fars

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Saudi Arabia Shuts Down About Half Its Oil Output After Drone Strikes
Shutdown amounts to a loss of some five million barrels a day, roughly 5% of the world’s daily production of crude

A coordinated drone strike hit at the heart of Saudi oil production on Saturday, sparking an enormous blaze and forcing the kingdom to shut down about half of its crude output, according to people familiar with matter.

Iran-alled Houthi rebels in neighboring Yemen claimed responsibility for what would be one of their largest-ever attacks inside the kingdom.

The Saudi production shutdown amounts to a loss of about five million barrels a day, the people said, roughly 5% of the world’s daily production of crude oil. The kingdom produces 9.8 million barrels a day.

This attack appeared to be the most effective, starting large fires at Hijra Khurais, one of Saudi Arabia’s largest oil fields, and at Abqaiq, the world’s biggest crude stabilization facility. Khurais produces 1.5 million barrels a day while Abqaiq helps produce up to 7 million barrels a day.

A Houthi spokesman said the attack involved 10 drones. Published images of the fire at the Abqaiq facility showed what appeared to be a huge blaze along with plumes of smoke.

“We promise the Saudi regime that our future operations will expand and be more painful as long as its aggression and siege continue,” the spokesman said.

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Video and photo footage shows several huge fires and plumes of smoke.

 

Broccoli

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Very accurate hits if these really were Iranian KH-55 copies/improvements.
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SinoSoldier

Colonel
Very accurate hits if these really were Iranian KH-55 copies/improvements.
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We won't ever know what really happened, but if the US deduces that Iran fired cruise missiles into the Aramco refinery either through analyses of the evidence or embellishment/fabrication thereof, it is over for Iran-American relations as we know it, if such a temperament ever existed between the two nations.

They've yet to explain how Houthi drones capable of this precision and damage managed to slip under Saudi radar and whatever that defended those oil facilities in the first place.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Very accurate hits if these really were Iranian KH-55 copies/improvements.
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If these were actual cruise missiles, the tanks would have been blown wide open instead of having neat little holes punched in them, which suggests small sized ordinance with limited payload.

Furthermore, if these were cruise missile hits, some debris are bound to have survived, which would be irrefutable proof of state involvement, hence it would be an extremely stupid thing for Iran to do.

All of that rules out cruise missiles in my view.

As for how the attack occurred, well personally I would be looking at small boat activity near or around the Saudi Coast at the time of the attack.

It’s relatively trivial to rig some catapults on small/medium sized fishing boats; or even just strap booster rockets to the back of them and launch them from a metal rail like bottle rockets; sail the boats to the Saudi coast, and then launch suicide drones.

That is probably how the attack bypassed all of Saudi’s defences, as it would have come from the east/north east direction, whereas Saudi air defences would have been concentrated towards the south. If there were any air defences that far from the Yemeni boarder.

That of course does not rule out Iranian involvement, but it would be an order of magnitude more difficult for anyone to prove Iranian involvement than cruise missile strikes, which is the whole point.
 

Khalij e Fars

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Allegedly they found cruise missile parts in the Saudi desert and US are saying it was cruise missiles.

What you wrote about boats from the Persian Gulf to evade AD doesn't make sense because all those ADs positioned there are facing Iran specifically for that purpose.

Houthis have the Qods 1 cruise missile.

Amazing precision and lethality of this strike. The most impressive thing is how heavily defended by AD that area is and how still KSA (despite their ENORMOUS military spending on US junk weapons) and USA still have no idea what attacked them or where it came from!
 
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