Pentagon accuses Chinese vessels of harassing U.S. ship

Engineer

Major
More contradictions:
First, we know that the Chinese ships involved were a Bureau of Maritime Fisheries Patrol Vessel, a State Oceanographic Administration patrol vessel and two small Chinese-flagged trawlers. Nothing belonged to the navy there, yet we told that navy vessels were involved.

Secondly, how come we are only seeing the two trawlers? Surely there must be pictures of the three other vessels, so what does Pentagon have to hide?

Lastly, if the trawlers do not have radios on board, the other three ships would, and they would have signaled the Impeccable in some manner. In fact, take a look this paragraph from the article again (CNN also runs a similar article):
The crew members aboard the vessels, two of which were within 50 feet, waved Chinese flags and told the U.S. ship to leave the area, the statement said.
But immediately after this paragraph, we have this:
"Because the vessels' intentions were not known, Impeccable sprayed its fire hoses at one of the vessels in order to protect itself," the statement said. "The Chinese crewmembers disrobed to their underwear and continued closing to within 25 feet."
In otherwords, what being said was "they were waving flags at us like mad and told us to leave, but telling us to leave was clearly unknown intention so we hosed them down." Brilliant! :roll:
 
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mpaduan79

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those two small Chinese-flagged trawlers that "harrass" USN ship is just doing their civic duties only....to keep out strangers out of their fishing net area...luckly they are not blow to bits by some UCAV reaper...:):coffee:
 

crobato

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"Military presence" using trawlers?

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By Chris Buckley

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BEIJING (Reuters) - China accused a U.S. naval ship of carrying out an illegal survey off southern Hainan island, a Hong Kong TV website reported on Tuesday, after the Pentagon said Chinese vessels had harassed the ship in international waters.


Global oil prices rose 3 percent on Monday and held above $47 a barrel on Tuesday, partly on fears of geopolitical tension between the world's top oil consumers.


But the confrontation was unlikely to do lasting damage to ties between two countries closely involved in trying to end the global financial crisis, a Chinese analyst in Beijing said.


A U.S.-based expert on Asia-Pacific security said the confrontation did not appear accidental, but rather was China sending a message to Washington that it wanted respect for its growing military presence in the region.


Washington urged China to observe international maritime rules after the Pentagon said five Chinese ships, including a naval vessel, harassed the U.S. Navy ship in international waters on Sunday.


The Chinese vessels "shadowed and aggressively maneuvered in dangerously close proximity" to the USNS Impeccable, an unarmed ocean surveillance vessel, with one ship coming within 25 feet, a U.S. Defense Department statement said.


The tropical resort island of Hainan is the site of a Chinese naval base that houses ballistic missile submarines, according to independent analysts.


An unnamed spokesman for the Chinese embassy in Washington denied the Chinese ships had violated maritime rules and said U.S. ships had been conducting illegal surveying, the website of Hong Kong-based Phoenix Television (news.ifeng.com) reported.


"The U.S. claim about operating in high seas is out of step with the facts," the report quoted the spokesman as saying. "The U.S. navy vessel concerned has been consistently conducting illegal surveying in China's exclusive economic zone," the station quoted the spokesman as saying.


Chinese authorities had "repeatedly used diplomatic channels to demand that the U.S. side cease unlawful activities in China's exclusive economic zone," the report added.


The Chinese Foreign Ministry was unavailable for comment.


U.S. defense officials said the incident followed days of increasingly aggressive Chinese conduct in the area, including fly-bys by Chinese maritime surveillance planes.


It comes just weeks after the two sides resumed military talks, postponed in November after a U.S. announcement of arms sales to Taiwan, a self-ruled island China claims as its own.


And it echoes a stand-off in 2001 between U.S. and Chinese military forces after a U.S. spy plane made an emergency landing on Hainan after a collision with a Chinese fighter jet. China released 24 crew after a U.S. apology.


NO MAJOR FALLOUT TO TIES-ANALYST


The row is unlikely to derail Sino-U.S. ties when both sides are tackling the global economic slump -- Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi flew to the United States on Monday for talks ahead of next month's G20 summit -- but it suggests Beijing will take a tougher stance as its naval ambitions grow, said analyst Shi Yinhong.


"The United States is present everywhere on the world's seas, but these kinds of incidents may grow as China's naval activities expand," added Shi, an expert on regional security at Renmin University in Beijing.

The Impeccable is one of five ocean surveillance ships that serve with the U.S. 7th Fleet, which is based in Yokosuka, Japan. The ships use low-frequency sound to search for undersea threats including submarines, a U.S. military official said.

A U.S. Defense Department spokesman said the Chinese vessels had surrounded the Impeccable, waving Chinese flags and telling the U.S. ship to leave. The Pentagon also described accounts of half a dozen other incidents dating back to March 4.

Oil prices rose on news of the jostling on Monday and stayed high on Tuesday, although analysts said it was hard to see how the tension could threaten oil supplies or inflate prices.

"I can see the geopolitical risk between two producing countries. But the U.S. and China are two major consumers. I don't know why oil prices would rise on that," said Tony Nunan, risk management manager at Tokyo-based Mitsubishi Corp.

The confrontation coincides with two sensitive anniversaries in Tibet, making China especially sensitive to outside scrutiny of its affairs.

Analyst Shi said the seas off Hainan were important to China's projection of its influence with a modern naval fleet.

"The change is in China's attitude. This reflects the hardening line in Chinese foreign policy and the importance we attach to the strategic value of the South China Sea."

Denny Roy, an expert on Asia-Pacific security at the East-West Center in Honolulu, Hawaii, said the confrontation appeared intended to send a message to Washington.

"I don't think this happened spontaneously," he said. "...No doubt it had the endorsement of central leaders in Beijing."

A recent study of China's rising power by a top People's Liberation Army thinktank said the country should seek to avoid confrontation with Washington but not shrink when pressed.

(Additional reporting by Ian Ransom in Beijing and David Morgan in Washington; Editing by Nick Macfie and Dean Yates)

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Mr T

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The dispute lays in the fact that according to international law, all ships are allowed free passage within the EEZ, yet China defines foreign military presence within its EEZ as a threat to its vital interests.

Hasn't China sent submarines and "survey" vessels into Japanese EEZs? Either the US ship was well within its rights or China is guilty of doing what it has accused the Americans of.
 

hanqiang1011

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:rofl:

The Title should have been "U.S. ship is harrassing Chinese vessels near Chinese military base on Hainan island". Did China send her ships to U.S. military base near U.S. waters to gather intelligence? NO.

Yup, whatever the US Navy does in international water off other ppl's coast is deem legalised but when roles are reversed, the surveliance party will be deemed as hostile by the US Navy.
 

adeptitus

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Hasn't China sent submarines and "survey" vessels into Japanese EEZs? Either the US ship was well within its rights or China is guilty of doing what it has accused the Americans of.

The EEZ line in East China Sea is under dispute, though the nature of dispute (economic/gas) is far less serious to espionage.

Under international agreement, ships and planes have right of passage and "lawful activities" within EEZ zone. The dispute is if military surveillance qualifies as lawful activity. The US, having made or agreed to certain code of conduct with the Soviets during Cold War era, expects the same with the Chinese. The Chinese, on the other hand, refused to accept it.
 

Jeff Head

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Clearly, the US vessel was not far enough away. In fact, it has to stay as close to Hainan as possible, given the ship's mission profile. Staying as far away as possible and getting as good recepetion as possible are two opposing objectives, so you have made quite an interesting contradiction there.

If the ship is as awsome as you are claiming it is, then by all mean it can stay in real international water, without having to resort to number games to try to appear as innocent. The Chinese would then have no means to complain.
No contradiction at all, Engineer. The mission profile and the capabilities allow the vessel to stay well within international waters.

The US operates from a standpoint that international law will be adhered to. The vessel is relatively slow, and unarmed. The US is not looking for an international incident with China, but does use its technology to try and decipher the capabilities of other nations. The PRC does the same with the technology available to it.

Such vessels and platforms, as long as they adhere to recognized international and maritime law, should themselves be observed and watched to understand their capabilities, but they should not be harassed or overtly threatened.
 

Jeff Head

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Yup, whatever the US Navy does in international water off other ppl's coast is deem legalised but when roles are reversed, the surveliance party will be deemed as hostile by the US Navy.
Sorry, but this is simply not the case.

The US has a long history of not interefering with other nations vessels who are doing surveillance of US Navy ships, formations and bases...as long as they adhere to international and maritime war. These things happened very regularly during the cold war on both sides without such incidents.

Problem is, the US expects that the PRC and PLAN will play by the same rules developed with the Soviets during the "cold war" and apparently the PRC has decided not to play by those rules. So, over time, new codes of conduct for naval relations will have to be found and agreed to between the two and in the mean time, we can all hope and pray that these incidents do not turn hostile..
 

Engineer

Major
Hasn't China sent submarines and "survey" vessels into Japanese EEZs? Either the US ship was well within its rights or China is guilty of doing what it has accused the Americans of.
Hasn't Japan also rammed and sunk ships that enroched on its claimed EEZ? Either the Chinese ships were well within its right to do the same or Japan is doing what China is being accused of.
 

Engineer

Major
No contradiction at all, Engineer. The mission profile and the capabilities allow the vessel to stay well within international waters.
Again, were it to be able to gather acoustic signal from international water, it would have done so. Within 75 miles of Hainan means the vessel didn't stay well within international water.

The US operates from a standpoint that international law will be adhered to...
Such vessels and platforms, as long as they adhere to recognized international and maritime law, should themselves be observed and watched to understand their capabilities, but they should not be harassed or overtly threatened.
As far as international law is concerned, ships are allowed free passage through EEZ, which loitering isn't; nevermind surveying.
 
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