Pentagon accuses Chinese vessels of harassing U.S. ship

If they did an LA class SSN would be watching them.

Well wouldn't that defeat the purpose of trying to keep the surveillance ship away?
I'm sure the US ship would be plenty happy if a 093/094 was following it around.

During the Cold War, incidents between submarines would make this report seem like child's play. US and Soviet subs would occasionally even, "disappear," while operating around the other side's navies (ie USS Scorpion & K-219). All is fair in the open seas, and a Chinese frigate operating close to a US surveillance ship is nothing compared to the undersea maneuvers that took place between American and Soviet subs in decades past. You don't hear the Chinese side complaining.

Plus, you got Iceland and the UK ramming each others' surface vessels on almost a monthly basis for some parts of the Cold War.

In addition we know that there are occasional airborne confrontations between P-3s and other maritime patrol craft and PLAAF interceptors.

Didn't just last year the UK scramble some interceptors to escort Russian strategic bombers on a training patrol?
 
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flyzies

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This is interesting...i guess this confirms this is not the 1st time, and in fact incidents like this maybe more regular than everyone thinks.
The Pentagon bringing this up now is quite suspicious, after all, Obama has recently talked about cutting back on major defence projects that doesnt have much to do with "war on terror" in Afghanistan.

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China says US navy ship was breaking law-HK website

BEIJING, March 10 (Reuters) - China said a U.S. naval vessel was conducting illegal surveying off its southern island of Hainan, a Hong Kong television website reported on Tuesday, after the Pentagon said Chinese ships had harassed the vessel in international waters.

Global oil prices rose 3 percent on Monday, partly driven by market concerns over tensions between the world's top oil consumers.

The United States on Monday urged China to observe international maritime rules after the Pentagon said five Chinese ships, including a naval vessel, harassed a U.S. Navy ship in international waters.

The Chinese vessels "shadowed and aggressively manoeuvred in dangerously close proximity" to the USNS Impeccable, an unarmed ocean surveillance vessel, on Sunday, with one ship coming within 25 feet (7.6 metres), a U.S. Defense Department statement said.

An unnamed spokesman from the Chinese embassy in Washington denied the Chinese ships had violated maritime rules, and said U.S. ships had been conducting illegal surveying, the website of Hong Kong-based Phoenix Television (news.ifeng.com) reported.

"The U.S. claim about operating in high seas is out of step with the facts," the report quoted the spokesman as saying. "The U.S. navy vessel concerned has been consistently conducting illegal surveying in China's special economic zone," the station quoted the spokesman as saying.

"China believes this contravenes international laws of the sea and China's relevant laws."

Chinese authorities had "repeatedly used diplomatic channels to demand that the U.S. side cease unlawful activities in China's special economic zone", the report added.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry was unavailable for comment.

U.S. defence officials said the incident followed days of increasingly aggressive Chinese conduct in the area, including fly-bys of two U.S. Navy ships by Chinese maritime surveillance planes.

It echoes a tense stand-off in 2001 between U.S. and Chinese military forces after a U.S. spy plane made an emergency landing on Hainan after a collision with a Chinese fighter jet. China released 24 crew after a U.S. apology.

The Impeccable is one of five ocean surveillance ships that serve with the U.S. 7th Fleet, which is based Yokosuka, Japan. The ships use low-frequency sound to search for undersea threats including submarines, a U.S. military official said.

Hainan Island is the site of a Chinese naval base that houses ballistic missile submarines, according to independent analysts.

A U.S. Defense Department spokesman said the Chinese vessels had surrounded the Impeccable, waving Chinese flags and telling the U.S. ship to leave.

The Pentagon also described accounts of half a dozen other incidents dating back to March 4, in which the Impeccable and its sister vessel, USNS Victorious, were subjected to aggressive behaviour.

Oil jumped more than 3 percent to $47 a barrel amid the naval incident between China and the United States and as dealers pondered the possibility of deeper production cuts by OPEC.
 

Engineer

Major
The USNS ship was 125 miles from land. How were they doing what you alleged from that distance?
You mean 125 kilometers, converted from the value in the following sentence:
Defense officials said the incident took place in international waters in the South China Sea, about 75 miles south of Hainan Island.
75 miles = 120.7008 kilometers

Unless by some magic, China's coastline does not include Hainan's coastline, 125 km is well within China's EEZ. Mind you, EEZ goes up to 370 km, so Impeccable is not in International Water as the Pentagon has claimed.
 
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Engineer

Major
In this case, the US vessel was clearly adhering to international law and maintaining its distance well outside of territorial waters.
Clearly, the US vessel was not far enough away. In fact, it has to stay as close to Hainan as possible, given the ship's mission profile. Staying as far away as possible and getting as good recepetion as possible are two opposing objectives, so you have made quite an interesting contradiction there.

If the ship is as awsome as you are claiming it is, then by all mean it can stay in real international water, without having to resort to number games to try to appear as innocent. The Chinese would then have no means to complain.
 

SteelBird

Colonel
There are some pix about the incident on sina.com. I'm sorry if they have been posted.
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. Interesting the American vessel is a catamaran and those Chinese vessels are actually the trawlers (They said Chinese naval vessels are included in the incident). They use the word "disturb" instead of "intercept". So, I think the incident is not that serious. Please don't over react about it.
 

joshuatree

Captain
This case is shaping up to be an argument of perspective, EEZ vs territorial waters. By EEZ definition, the US vessel was not in international waters. But if by territorial waters, then it is. So there's no clear cut winner. Ultimately, the Chinese action was crude but they succeeded in their objective, to shoo away the vessel.
 
If the ship is as awsome as you are claiming it is, then by all mean it can stay in real international water, without having to resort to number games to try to appear as innocent. The Chinese would then have no means to complain.

Well the ship was well out of Chinese territorial waters as dictated by international law. IIRC in international law, a nation's territorial waters is only 12 nautical miles from the nation's coast. However the ship was well within China's EEZ, which extends up to 200km from a nation's cosatline. The dispute lays in the fact that according to international law, all ships are allowed free passage within the EEZ, yet China defines foreign military presence within its EEZ as a threat to its vital interests.
 

hbogyt

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Isn't iternational water beyond 200 nautical miles from the shore. 75 miles do not seem to be in international water. Arrgh. One day, the reponse will be gun shells.
 
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