Pakistan Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
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Pakistan in its effort to curb terrorist crossing into its territory, fortifies its border with Afghanistan. This fence not only runs through the area bordering NWA & SWA but through areas bordering Balochistan.
Note: notice the green tip ammo used for Barret m107a1, it is a MK 211 round HEIAP (High Explosive- Incendiary Armor Pierce ring round)
Note: notice the green tip ammo used for Barret m107a1, it is a MK 211 round HEIAP (High Explosive- Incendiary Armor Pierce ring round)
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- Abbasi flew with TAI’s T129 ATAK Tactical Reconnaissance and Attack Helicopter over Istanbul . . .
Many people are not aware of the fact that he is a CPL holder with 800 flight hours and have also flown F-16s . .
Many people are not aware of the fact that he is a CPL holder with 800 flight hours and have also flown F-16s . .
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Dizasta1
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- Abbasi flew with TAI’s T129 ATAK Tactical Reconnaissance and Attack Helicopter over Istanbul . . .
Many people are not aware of the fact that he is a CPL holder with 800 flight hours and have also flown F-16s . .
The T-129/Milgem deal is the worst deal to have ever been hatched. Purchasing T-129s when Pakistan ought to go for either WZ-10s or Mi-35s. The whole basis Pakistan military procurement approach is to armor itself against prospective western sanctions, reliance on western manufacturers and so on. Turkish hardware is heavily dependent on western support. Without western support on technology, industrial manufacturing and modernization, the Turks are a sitting duck. And for Pakistan to go for T-129, which is essentially A-129 Mangusta of Agusta-Westland/Leonardo/Finmeccanica product. Instead Pakistan ought to be looking at the WZ-10 Helo Gunships and the possibility of establishing a full spectrum MRO for this rotorcraft.
Not forgetting the Milgem Corvette. Which has zero air defence capability, zero ability to challenge or defend against blue water threats and cannot hold its own even in brown water theater. The Milgem comes with NO ESSM, NO VLS, NO AESA and yet the brain dead buffoons would purchase these ships on a line of credit!!! Clearly we have apes instead of humans making defense procurement decisions in Pakistan. For the same kind of money Pakistan ought to be looking at procurement of Type-054A Frigates and Type-052D Air-Defense Destroyers. 1.5 billion USD is the amount being proposed to realize this deal. One would have thought, for that amount of money, the hardware would be sanction proof. But no, empty heads prevail and make decision that would land us back in the mess we faced in 1971. Need I remind the Pakistan Military leadership of the circumstances surrounding round the clock CAPs during Karol in 1999. Please challenge on me on this, I dare anyone. Pakistan Navy will not be defending it's maritime territory against some rag tag band of pirates. It would be defending it's territory against the likes of a navy which is bristling with Aegis like destroyers, frigates, corvettes and submarines.
If this deal were to go through, I would call it the worst deal ever since Pakistan Air Force purchased those bucket-targets in the air called Super Marine Attackers (british trash).
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PAKISTANI PRIME MINISTER CONFIRMS T129 AND MILGEM TALKS WITH TURKEY
Pakistan’s Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi conducted an official visit to Turkey last week. In addition to attending the Developing-8 Organization for Economic Cooperation (D-8) Istanbul Summit, Abbasi also spoke of Pakistan’s potential defence transactions with Turkey.
On Sunday, October 22 Shahid Abbasi visited Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) and flew in the TAI T129 ATAK attack helicopter. Abbasi that Pakistan was “negotiating terms for the purchase” of T129 attack helicopters. This confirms in June of Pakistan opening talks for 30 T129s.
The Turkish news website Kokpit Aero that Pakistan also requested a financing arrangement for the T129s from Turkey. It adds that the Turkish government is working to allocate $1.5 billion U.S. in credit.
The Pakistan Army had selected the T129 to replace its aging AH-1F/S Cobra attack helicopters and to complement the . Besides exploring credit to back the deal, TAI Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) parts manufacturing work for the T129.
Speaking to the , Abbasi outlined that while there were several big-ticket programs underway between the two countries, there were also key mutually agreed upon objectives, stating, “Our shared objective is to strengthen our respective capabilities for indigenous defense production.”
Abbasi also touched upon the High-Level Military Dialogue Group (HLMDG), which he says has “significant representation from the defense sectors of both countries, meets regularly and chalks out strategies and initiatives for defense collaboration.” Abbasi added that the two countries “have significant capacities and complementarities, from which both sides are working to draw beneficial results.”
Besides noting Turkey’s order for 52 Super Mushshak trainers from Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), Abbasi also spoke about ongoing negotiations for four MILGEM Ada-class corvettes, stating, “[Turkey and Pakistan] are working on the project for four MİLGEM Ada class corvettes.”
Pakistan had for the MILGEM in May, but it has yet to sign the final contract. The LOI stipulated that the ships would be constructed at Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KSEW) if selected by Pakistan. Ankara had also prepared a line-of-credit for Pakistan worth $400 million U.S. for the corvettes.
Earlier in October, the Pakistan Navy’s previous Chief of Naval Staff (CNS) Admiral Muhammad Zakaullah announced that Pakistan with China for new frigates. Abbasi’s comments suggest that the MILGEM program is still alive and, if brought to fruition, will augment the new frigate purchase. If the deal is signed, it would follow the Pakistan Navy Fleet Tanker and Agosta 90B submarine upgrade program as Savunma Teknolojileri Muhendislik Ve Ticaret A.S.’ (STM) third naval contract in Pakistan.
The Ada has a full-load displacement of 2,300 tons. Its standard configuration includes dual quad-cell (2×4) launchers for anti-ship missiles (AShM), two triple torpedo launchers for anti-submarine warfare (ASW), a 76-mm main gun and a Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) system for short-range air defence (SHORAD).
Notes & Comments:
Shahid Abbasi’s statements affirm that Turkey has emerged as one of Pakistan’s leading defence suppliers, second only to China. Due to the Turkish industry’s linkage with American and Western European vendors, Turkey can emerge as a surrogate vendor of Western arms technology to Pakistan. The T129 and MILGEM are examples, though Ankara is intending to increase the domestic share of sub-systems and technologies in these and other major weapon systems.
Pakistan’s Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi in the T129 ATAK. Photo source: Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI)
Abbasi’s statements indicate that Pakistan is interested in collaborating with Turkey on developing defence solutions so that they can be produced between the two countries. Besides securing the supply channel from possible interruptions (e.g. foreign relations challenges), it would enable both countries to steer defence spending to their respective economies instead of costly imports.
Turkish and Pakistani officials have spoke of possible cooperation on Turkey’s Milli Muharebe Uçağı – also known as the TAI TFX – next-generation fighter. In 2016, Pakistan’s Minister of Defence Production (MoDP) that PAC was invited to participate in the TFX program. In an interview with in April, the Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) Chief of Air Staff (CAS) stated, “We are integrating our technology with friendly countries, including Turkey. We are thinking of producing the next-generation aircraft by pooling resources with them. For this, the basic framework and agreements have been made.”
It appears that the TFX became a factor in the PAF’s next-generation fighter plans, which could see PAC and TAI collaborate closely in the development and production process. TAI will also be developing a 10-ton general purpose helicopter along with a heavier ATAK variant. Considering that Pakistan operates two legacy helicopter platforms in the Sea King and Puma, collaborating with Turkey on a Black Hawk or NH90-size utility helicopter for long-term army, navy, air force and civil services
If finalized, the T129 ATAK could be a bridge to such a program. In 2016, the Pakistan Army the T129 and the Changhe Aircraft Industries Corporation (CAIC) Z-10 for a requirement to complement the forthcoming Bell Helicopter AH-1Z Viper. As per TAI, Pakistan was impressed with the T129’s hot-and-high performance and ferry range. Besides integrating PAC into the T129 supply channel (e.g. for spare parts), the program could also lead to bilateral collaboration in avionics, optronics and munitions development.
Interestingly, in 2016 when reports of Pakistan expressing interest in the T129 had emerged, an official from the Turkish Undersecretariat of Defence Industries (SSM) stated that the T129 was “required by the Pakistan Army, Navy and Air Force. Thus, all three services [were] involved in the process.” This would be interesting seeing that neither the Navy or Air Force have ever operated such assets.
The have seen growth in recent years in their role of protecting Pakistan’s coastal regions. If the Marines are geared to guard the adjacent coast with India, the T129 could theoretically be a close air support (CAS) asset for that environment. These could also be integrated with Special Service Group (SSG) Navy operations. As for the PAF, it could mirror the Indian Air Force in using attack helicopters to support combat-search-and-rescue (CSAR) operations, which could see linkage with the Special Service Wing (SSW). A local support network with spare parts manufacturing and depot-level maintenance, repair and overhaul could make T129 adoption in the PAF and Navy plausible, at least in the long-term.
Pakistan’s Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi conducted an official visit to Turkey last week. In addition to attending the Developing-8 Organization for Economic Cooperation (D-8) Istanbul Summit, Abbasi also spoke of Pakistan’s potential defence transactions with Turkey.
On Sunday, October 22 Shahid Abbasi visited Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) and flew in the TAI T129 ATAK attack helicopter. Abbasi that Pakistan was “negotiating terms for the purchase” of T129 attack helicopters. This confirms in June of Pakistan opening talks for 30 T129s.
The Turkish news website Kokpit Aero that Pakistan also requested a financing arrangement for the T129s from Turkey. It adds that the Turkish government is working to allocate $1.5 billion U.S. in credit.
The Pakistan Army had selected the T129 to replace its aging AH-1F/S Cobra attack helicopters and to complement the . Besides exploring credit to back the deal, TAI Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) parts manufacturing work for the T129.
Speaking to the , Abbasi outlined that while there were several big-ticket programs underway between the two countries, there were also key mutually agreed upon objectives, stating, “Our shared objective is to strengthen our respective capabilities for indigenous defense production.”
Abbasi also touched upon the High-Level Military Dialogue Group (HLMDG), which he says has “significant representation from the defense sectors of both countries, meets regularly and chalks out strategies and initiatives for defense collaboration.” Abbasi added that the two countries “have significant capacities and complementarities, from which both sides are working to draw beneficial results.”
Besides noting Turkey’s order for 52 Super Mushshak trainers from Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), Abbasi also spoke about ongoing negotiations for four MILGEM Ada-class corvettes, stating, “[Turkey and Pakistan] are working on the project for four MİLGEM Ada class corvettes.”
Pakistan had for the MILGEM in May, but it has yet to sign the final contract. The LOI stipulated that the ships would be constructed at Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KSEW) if selected by Pakistan. Ankara had also prepared a line-of-credit for Pakistan worth $400 million U.S. for the corvettes.
Earlier in October, the Pakistan Navy’s previous Chief of Naval Staff (CNS) Admiral Muhammad Zakaullah announced that Pakistan with China for new frigates. Abbasi’s comments suggest that the MILGEM program is still alive and, if brought to fruition, will augment the new frigate purchase. If the deal is signed, it would follow the Pakistan Navy Fleet Tanker and Agosta 90B submarine upgrade program as Savunma Teknolojileri Muhendislik Ve Ticaret A.S.’ (STM) third naval contract in Pakistan.
The Ada has a full-load displacement of 2,300 tons. Its standard configuration includes dual quad-cell (2×4) launchers for anti-ship missiles (AShM), two triple torpedo launchers for anti-submarine warfare (ASW), a 76-mm main gun and a Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) system for short-range air defence (SHORAD).
Notes & Comments:
Shahid Abbasi’s statements affirm that Turkey has emerged as one of Pakistan’s leading defence suppliers, second only to China. Due to the Turkish industry’s linkage with American and Western European vendors, Turkey can emerge as a surrogate vendor of Western arms technology to Pakistan. The T129 and MILGEM are examples, though Ankara is intending to increase the domestic share of sub-systems and technologies in these and other major weapon systems.
Pakistan’s Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi in the T129 ATAK. Photo source: Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI)
Abbasi’s statements indicate that Pakistan is interested in collaborating with Turkey on developing defence solutions so that they can be produced between the two countries. Besides securing the supply channel from possible interruptions (e.g. foreign relations challenges), it would enable both countries to steer defence spending to their respective economies instead of costly imports.
Turkish and Pakistani officials have spoke of possible cooperation on Turkey’s Milli Muharebe Uçağı – also known as the TAI TFX – next-generation fighter. In 2016, Pakistan’s Minister of Defence Production (MoDP) that PAC was invited to participate in the TFX program. In an interview with in April, the Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) Chief of Air Staff (CAS) stated, “We are integrating our technology with friendly countries, including Turkey. We are thinking of producing the next-generation aircraft by pooling resources with them. For this, the basic framework and agreements have been made.”
It appears that the TFX became a factor in the PAF’s next-generation fighter plans, which could see PAC and TAI collaborate closely in the development and production process. TAI will also be developing a 10-ton general purpose helicopter along with a heavier ATAK variant. Considering that Pakistan operates two legacy helicopter platforms in the Sea King and Puma, collaborating with Turkey on a Black Hawk or NH90-size utility helicopter for long-term army, navy, air force and civil services
If finalized, the T129 ATAK could be a bridge to such a program. In 2016, the Pakistan Army the T129 and the Changhe Aircraft Industries Corporation (CAIC) Z-10 for a requirement to complement the forthcoming Bell Helicopter AH-1Z Viper. As per TAI, Pakistan was impressed with the T129’s hot-and-high performance and ferry range. Besides integrating PAC into the T129 supply channel (e.g. for spare parts), the program could also lead to bilateral collaboration in avionics, optronics and munitions development.
Interestingly, in 2016 when reports of Pakistan expressing interest in the T129 had emerged, an official from the Turkish Undersecretariat of Defence Industries (SSM) stated that the T129 was “required by the Pakistan Army, Navy and Air Force. Thus, all three services [were] involved in the process.” This would be interesting seeing that neither the Navy or Air Force have ever operated such assets.
The have seen growth in recent years in their role of protecting Pakistan’s coastal regions. If the Marines are geared to guard the adjacent coast with India, the T129 could theoretically be a close air support (CAS) asset for that environment. These could also be integrated with Special Service Group (SSG) Navy operations. As for the PAF, it could mirror the Indian Air Force in using attack helicopters to support combat-search-and-rescue (CSAR) operations, which could see linkage with the Special Service Wing (SSW). A local support network with spare parts manufacturing and depot-level maintenance, repair and overhaul could make T129 adoption in the PAF and Navy plausible, at least in the long-term.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
I don't think the Pakistanis were really looking to use the Mi35 as there mainline dedicated Attack chopper. It's better suited in my mind as a Special forces chopper. It's able to transport 8 troops and supply fire support from above Perfect for commando operations.
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Exactly, that's the very reason they opted for additional numbers 12 - 16.
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asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Haven't watched the documentary does it say anything about manufacturing 155mm rounds ?