P-8A/P-8I ASW/MPA Aircraft Thread

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Naval Today said:
The British Ministry of Defence has confirmed that it signed a deal to purchase nine P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft (MPA) for the Royal Air Force (RAF).

Boeing’s P-8A MPA are being purchased from the US Government via a Foreign Military Sale.

According to the MoD, the cost of developing and delivering the UK’s MPA capability, including paying for the people, their training, the infrastructure and necessary support at RAF Lossiemouth will be around £3 billion over the next decade.

Speaking at the start of the Farnborough Airshow, Prime Minister David Cameron said that Boeing would commit about £100 million to the Lossiemouth base.

Tony Douglas, Chief Executive Officer of the MOD’s Defence Equipment and Support organisation, said: “The P-8A aircraft was the best solution to fill our maritime patrol aircraft capability gap; it is tried, tested and can be delivered in the timeline we need.”

The new aircraft, which will be based at RAF Lossiemouth in Scotland, will play a vital role in protecting the UK’s nuclear deterrent and the UK’s two new aircraft carriers. They will also be able to locate and track hostile submarines, and will enhance the UK’s maritime Search and Rescue (SAR) capability. This capability will also bring economic benefits to Scotland and the wider UK, with an additional 400 personnel based at RAF Lossiemouth, the ministry said.

The P-8A can operate at long range from its operating base without refuelling and has the endurance to carry out high and low-level airborne maritime and overland surveillance for extended periods. This aircraft will also be able to conduct wide-area search of open ocean to locate small boats and drop rescue life-rafts and equipment to vessels and people in distress.

The P-8A is based on the Boeing 737, which is already supplied by UK industry. UK manufacturers already provide specialist sub-systems for the P-8 itself. Companies include Marshall for the auxiliary fuel tanks, Martin Baker for the crew seats and General Electric for weapon pylons. The new order of P-8As is also set to create opportunities for the UK to bid for training and support contracts.

First aircraft are expected to arrive in the UK in 2019/2020.
GREAT to get confirmation of this order. Did not know if it was reported on SE while I was away.

They had talked about it last year, but now the order has been placed.

So we have the current plans for the P-8:

US - 122
UK - 9
Australia - 15
India - 12

It is possible that Norway, New Zealand, Turkey, and others may also buy the P-8. India may certainly order more as well.
 

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Naval Today said:
Australia’s first P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft recently completed its maiden flight.

The aircraft flew a short distance from Renton Airfield to Boeing Field in Washington State USA, to where the P-8A’s mission systems will be installed as part of project AIR 7000.

The $5.4 billion P-8A program will provide Australia’s future manned maritime patrol and response aircraft capability, replacing in part the AP-3C Orion aircraft.

The P-8A Poseidon is 39.5 metres long, has a maximum takeoff weight of 85,820kg and a wingspan of 37.6m. Powered by two jet engines, it has a top speed is 907km/h with a maximum range of 7,500km.

Head of Aerospace Division, Air Vice Marshal (AVM) Catherine Roberts today congratulated Defence’s cooperative program partner, the United States Navy along with prime contractor Boeing Defence Space and Security, on achieving this significant milestone.

“This major acquisition is creating opportunities for Australian defence industry to participate in maintenance and to develop training facilities and infrastructure” AVM Roberts said. Aircraft production includes around $25 million of high-tech production work undertaken by local subsidiary, Boeing Aerostructures Australia.”

“The primary roles of the P-8A include the detection and response to naval surface and submarine threats, surveillance and reconnaissance, and assisting in search and rescue operations.”

With a saving of US$260m compared to the initial budget, the P-8A Poseidon aircraft were acquired through a cooperative program with the United States Navy and contracted to Boeing Defence Space and Security.

On August 28, 2015, Boeing was awarded a $1.49 billion contract to provide the first P-8A Poseidon maritime surveillance aircraft for Australia and additional P-8As for the U.S. Navy following award from the Navy for 13 aircraft.

The order included nine aircraft for the U.S. Navy and four Poseidon aircraft for the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF).

A Royal Australian Air Force crew will fly the aircraft to Australia in late 2016 following post-production checks and acceptance.
Great news down under!

Ultimately 15 are planned as I understand it.

Australia joins India and great Britain, and of course the US Navy, as confirmed buyers of the aircraft.

New Zealand, Norway, and Turkey are also considering it.
 

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ARABIAN GULF (Aug. 22, 2016) The "Mad Foxes" of Patrol Squadron (VP) 5 and the P-8A Poseidon aircraft, assigned to the squadron, are part of the Navy's replacement platform for the P-3C. The P-8A Poseidon is a modified Boeing 737-800ERX, designed to secure the Navy's future in long-range maritime patrol capability, while transforming how the Navy's maritime patrol and reconnaissance force will man, train, operate and deploy. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Victoria Kinney/Released)
 
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ARABIAN GULF (Aug. 22, 2016) The "Mad Foxes" of Patrol Squadron (VP) 5 and the P-8A Poseidon aircraft, assigned to the squadron, are part of the Navy's replacement platform for the P-3C. The P-8A Poseidon is a modified Boeing 737-800ERX, designed to secure the Navy's future in long-range maritime patrol capability, while transforming how the Navy's maritime patrol and reconnaissance force will man, train, operate and deploy. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Victoria Kinney/Released)
Glad to see the P-8s getting spred around the globe now.

They are a GREAT replacement aircraft for the venerable P-3C...but have been needed for some time. I bel;ieve the 40th aircraft was delivered in July of this year (2016). Ultimately the Navy says it wants 122 aircraft now, but I bet that number grows with time too.

...and it looks like a lot of our allies are interested too.

Australia (12), the UK (9), and India (12) have already purchased. NEw Zealand and Norway are expressing serious interest. I imagine a lot of the P-3 users are going to be looking at the P-8 as time goes on.

Australia got its first aircraft this year, and their order may expand to 15 units.
 
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Two stranded mariners were located on an uninhabited island in the Federated States of Micronesia after a U.S. Navy P-8A Poseidon maritime reconnaissance aircraft joined a Coast Guard rescue mission.

The U.S. Navy shared photos on August 25 of a man and a woman standing on the island beach where they had earlier written “SOS” in the sand.

The P-8A crew flew in support of U.S. Coast Guard Sector Guam after oil tanker British Marinerreported light signals from an uninhabited island in the state of Chuuk in the Federated States of Micronesia (FSM).

According to the U.S. Navy, FSS Palikir a patrol boat from Federated States of Micronesia has been sent to conduct rescue operations.

U.S. Navy’s P-8A Patrol Squadron VP-8 is based in Jacksonville, Florida and is currently on a routine deployment to the U.S. 7th Fleet area of operations.

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South Korea may join the party.

South Korea is considering purchasing four Boeing P-8A Poseidon Maritime Surveillance Aircraft following North Korea’s successful launch of a KN-11 submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) from a sub off its eastern coast near Sinpo on August 24,
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to local media reports.

Speaking to the Korea JoongAng Daily newspaper, a senior government official confirmed that the Republic of Korea Armed Forces wants to increase its anti-submarine warfare capabilities with U.S.-made aircraft.

“North Korea is preparing a number of strategic ways to attack the South using its submarine fleet on top of the SLBM development,” said the official, “We are discussing whether to purchase the latest maritime patrol aircraft to detect North Korean submarines to prevent surprise attacks from under water.”

As I reported on August 31 (See:
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), North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un allegedly ordered the construction of a new 3,000-ton diesel-electric submarine capable of firing ballistic missiles, according to a researcher. The North is currently operating one ballistic missile submarine—designated Sinpo-class–which, however, is still primarily a test platform with limited operational capability.

“Although we need to expand the reach of our surveillance in the aftermath of the SLBM success by the North, there are limits with the outdated antisubmarine patrol aircraft currently operated by the Navy,” the official said. Seoul wants to slowly phase out its fleet of obsolete P-3c Orion aircraft and in 2015 has expressed interest in acquiring up to 20 new maritime surveillance aircraft.

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elsewhere, the Republic of Korea Navy (ROKN) wants to procure 12 Lockheed Martin twin-turbofan S-3 Viking anti-submarine warfare aircraft with the option of eight more from the United States. A contract is expected to be signed in 2018 and the aircraft are slated to reach initial operating capability in 2020. The planes would come from U.S. Navy surplus stock, as I noted in September 2015:

The United States retired its fleet of S-3 Vikings in 2009 and purportedly offered its surplus S-3 aircraft to South Korea and other allies thereafter. Between 1971 and 1978, a total of 187 S-3As were built. In the 1980s a much-improved S-3B version of the aircraft entered service specifically designed to counter quieter Soviet submarines. There are currently 91 S-3B models in storage out of which 87 could be refitted for active duty (…).

The Boeing P-8A Poseidon aircraft would complement the new fleet of S-3 sub-hunting planes. “We need to detect an enemy submarine when it surfaces in our waters. Doing so requires anti-submarine aircraft with wide surveillance coverage and high speeds,” a ROKN official told Korea JoongAng Daily. “The P-8 Poseidon equipped with the latest detection technology can enhance our operational capability.”

The P-8A Poseidon is one of the world’s most advance maritime patrol aircraft, as I summarized in early 2016:

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to the Boeing website, the P-8A aircraft “has twice the sonobuoy processing capability and can carry 30 percent more sonobuoys than any maritime patrol and reconnaissance aircraft currently flying.” It can also control a number of reconnaissance drones to extend sensor reach.


The P-8A has a range of up to 7,242 kilometers (4,500 miles) without refueling, reaches speeds of up to 490 knots, and “can fly in the “harshest maritime flight regimes, including extended operations in icing environments,” Boeing boasts.

The aircraft can carry several types of bombs, Raytheon Mark 54 lightweight torpedoes (which are turned into glide bombs and can be launched from up to 9,100 meters), mines, and depth charges, in addition to air-to-surface missiles installed on the underwing hardpoints.

South Korea first decided to increase its anti-submarine warfare capabilities following the sinking of a ROKN Pohang-class corvette on March 26, 2010 in the Yellow Sea, killing 46 seamen. The ship was purportedly sunk by a torpedo fired from a North Korean 130-ton Yono-class midget submarine, approximately ten of which are in service with the Korean People’s Navy, according to intelligence estimates.

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Out with the old and in with the new.

An AP-3C Orion from the Royal Australian Air Force (lower) conducts an anti submarine warfare exercise with a US Navy P-8A Poseidon during Exercise Kakadu 2016.

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A United States Navy P-8A Poseidon during Exercise Kakadu 2016.

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And the RAAF's latest acquisition.

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So far the P-8 has the following pretty firm orders, and also the potential for more:

US Navy - 125+ aircraft
India - 24
Australia - 12
Great Britain - 9
Norway - 5
New Zealand - Under Consoderation with P-8A in lead (6)
Turkey - Uuder Consideration with P-8A in lead (12)
Canada - Under Consideration (12)
South Korea - Under Consideration (5)

So, looks like 175 are pretty firm, with a potential for another 35 so far. That would be over 200 aircraft, and I bet over the years they add another 100 to that possibly depending on which P-3C users choose the P-8A.

Realistically, depending on pricing, the Japanese KAwasaki P-1 MPA has to also be considered as a contender. It is a great aircraft and the Japanese have indicated a willingness to sell.
 
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