outrageous, EU& US file complaint against China for not exporting ..

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
The US is at war now.
How you can come to that conclusion beats me.Fortunately its only a view shared by a minority, and I think the rules of this forum prevents us from going down that road. Meanwhile peacetime development just meanders along, in which the viability of the research topic is subject to the vagaries of the economy.
As I pointed out earlier its China's pricing policy that has deterred the West from developing its own supply of rare earth metals,as it would surely deter them from developing alternatives.
 
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pla101prc

Senior Member
cmb=1968,you have to realize that when one resources becomes scarce on the market it does not mean the alternative will automatically pop up and saves the say. there will be a whole industry that needs to readjust itself to change that stuff, with all kinds of exogenous factors mixed within. its way more complicated than what economists that never step outside of their office tell you.
 
How you can come to that conclusion beats me.Fortunately its only a view shared by a minority, and the rules of this forum prevents us from going down that road.

Well, I think he meant that currently the US is still committed to military action in Afghanistan and Iraq.
 

cmb=1968

Junior Member
cmb=1968,you have to realize that when one resources becomes scarce on the market it does not mean the alternative will automatically pop up and saves the say. there will be a whole industry that needs to readjust itself to change that stuff, with all kinds of exogenous factors mixed within. its way more complicated than what economists that never step outside of their office tell you.

I am under no delusion that a alternative will pop up over night.
 

Engineer

Major
As I pointed out earlier its China's pricing policy that has deterred the West from developing its own supply of rare earth metals,as it would surely deter them from developing alternatives.
I don't think "pricing policy" exists. Rather, the low price is due to the large amount of competitors within the market. They all try to get a larger market share and the only way they could do that is by pushing down the price. Many even operate illegal mines, then dump the wastes right into local water source to cut down the costs, so they can provide at an even cheaper price. The end result is that strategic resources are being sold off like dirt, environment being damaged, and people's health affected.
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
I don't think "pricing policy" exists. Rather, the low price is due to the large amount of competitors within the market. They all try to get a larger market share and the only way they could do that is by pushing down the price. Many even operate illegal mines, then dump the wastes right into local water source to cut down the costs, so they can provide at an even cheaper price. The end result is that strategic resources are being sold off like dirt, environment being damaged, and people's health affected.

You are right, but from here on in China may adopt such a policy,
anyway Ive reposted this article for those who may not have read it

Sunday, March 29, 2009
Finally, China is controlling rare earth metals export
Leo Lewis, Asia Business Correspondent
China takes charge of keys to technologies' future

China has triumphed in a 15-year quest to become the “ultimate monopolist” in the supply of rare earth metals — a dominance that industry experts say could give Beijing control over the future of consumer electronics and green technology.

Industry sources believe that with China dramatically cutting its annual rare earth export quotas, the time may be rapidly approaching when it will be impossible for any company to produce a wind turbine or hybrid electric car outside the communist country.

After a long, relentless campaign of price wars and export quota reductions, more than 95 per cent of the global supply of rare earth metals — a group of 17 “lanthanide” elements employed in hundreds of technologies ranging from mobile phones and BlackBerrys to lasers and aviation — is produced by China.

Although China has the resources and refinery capacity to produce enough lanthanum, terbium, neodymium and dysprosium to satisfy a global demand that is rising at 10 per year, its rare earth export allocation for the whole world this year is expected to be about 38,000 tonnes — less than the quantity required by Japan alone.


Furthermore, as the world tries to make itself more energy-efficient, China's dominant position will become more strategically critical because of the wide range of cutting-edge environmental technologies, such as wind turbines, low-energy light bulbs and hybrid cars, that depend heavily on the rare earth metals.

Jack Lifton, an expert on rare earths, said: “Deng Xiaoping's comment in 1997, where he said that China would be for rare earth metals what the Middle East was to oil, has become a very stark reality. The world has to wake up and start thinking of this group of elements as the ‘technology metals' without which there will be no technology. China is already working out how these metals are going to give its companies a competitiveness that the rest of the world will find very difficult to match.”

China's rising strength in rare earth supply and its apparent willingness to use that as “a 21st-century economic weapon” have triggered what government sources in Tokyo told The Times was an invisible tsunami of panic in Japanese industry, which in turn has called on the Government to fight its corner with Beijing. Japan, which imports nearly 100 per cent of its rare earths from China, sees the group of elements as a probable battleground for future trade wars.

Toyota and other big carmakers are hurrying to secure alternative supplies in Vietnam and Malaysia. Mines in the United States that were forced out of business by price wars may be brought back into use. Yet many industry observers believe that Beijing may engineer a global supply crunch before any serious rival sources become available.

China's strategy, said Yoichi Sato, head of the rare earth division of Mitsui, suggested a complex game being played between Beijing and the world's rare earth consumers. The perceived idea behind China restricting its rare earth exports is twofold. First, it gives its own high-tech industries a chance to flourish and gain a huge competitive edge over rivals in Asia, Europe and the US — a politically useful gambit by a Government whose legitimacy lies in the provision of jobs and economic growth. Second, it may force foreign companies to move their high-tech factories and research centres to China to circumvent quotas, a move that Japanese companies will resist for fear of losing industrial secrets.

Mr Sato also believes that China will seek to use its existing monopoly status to crush any competition that emerges. …………
 

pla101prc

Senior Member
isnt there rare medal deposits in other places of the world? why dont they find other places with rare medals deposit, it might be easier if its a third world country that is easier to control cuz this rare medal issue has been around in China for a long time, i remember reading about this for quite a while,ppl were pretty angry that rare medals were exported for cheap price...so internal pressure is what induced the government to take such drastic step
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
isnt there rare medal deposits in other places of the world? why dont they find other places with rare medals deposit, it might be easier if its a third world country that is easier to control cuz this rare medal issue has been around in China for a long time, i remember reading about this for quite a while,ppl were pretty angry that rare medals were exported for cheap price...so internal pressure is what induced the government to take such drastic step

Im pretty sure I read an article where a propossed processing plant for rare earth metals was canned, im not sure whether it was in Australia or another part of Asia. The Article also said Vietnam had reasonable deposits.
 
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