outrageous, EU& US file complaint against China for not exporting ..

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Is China really doing anything different than OPEC and its oil by regulating the price and the amount of rare earth metals avaliable?
Meanwhile it just continues to be the workshop of the world while advancing into the production of advanced electronics.
 

cmb=1968

Junior Member
so when is the US gonna stop banning China from acquiring their technology?

It is not the job of the United States to subsidize the technological development of the Peoples Republic of China.

If China ended its Absolutist Protectionist policy I would think that the Industrialist who control the technology you are whining about would be allow them to exported with out restriction to china.
Because they have a enormous amount of leverage in the government and leveling the playing field would convince them that china is not a threat.
 
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bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Imagine, what would happen if OPEC one day decided to stop exporting oil?

Not likely to happen, for most members it's the only viable commodity they have to bring in foreign exchange.

China is only limiting the amount and putting a premium on it, surely it has that right, after all it has to pay royalties on foreign technology, which makes some of their products non-viable in the long run eg cd players
 

antimatter

Banned Idiot
antimatter

It is not the job of the United States to subsidize the technological development of the Peoples Republic of China.

So, you think it's OK for US to demand China to give up raw elements at a cheap price?

You still haven't answer, can you blame a girl if she refuse to sell you sex?
 

antimatter

Banned Idiot
For decades now, the West has imposed mountains of restrictions on sales of technology and materials to China. Those restrictions continue today. Yet these same jerks demand that China must freely export everything she owns, and cannot even impose taxes on the extraction.

At the minimum, China should reclassify all the materials in question, as key strategic military production factors, subject to military export controls. The WTO rules, at the insistence of the West, has always exempted restrictions based on military needs. The game is rigged, and the rules are set by the West. But the same rules can be used to the full advantage to protect China's interest.

And in fact these materials are strategic and of military importance. Otherwise the West would not be complaining. And also IN FACT many of the materials on the list are indispensable for military manufacture - for military aircraft, missiles, satellites, etc.

For example, it should be clearly legislated that, until and unless the relevant nation(s) remove the restrictions of military and/or dual use exports to China, those nation(s) are not going to get ANY of China's military/strategic materials, such as rare earths.

Moreover, multiple cartels should be set up with other producers, on the government level, much like OPEC. With that China gains important bargaining power.
 
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cmb=1968

Junior Member
Frankly I don't give a Darn about China putting these export tariffs in place; it will simply give the US the incentive to develop better technology that does not need these materials in large quantity's.

It will only compound china pathetic technological capability.
 
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cmb=1968

Junior Member
So, you think it's OK for US to demand China to give up raw elements at a cheap price?

You still haven't answer, can you blame a girl if she refuse to sell you sex?

Frankly I don't give a Darn about China putting these export tariffs in place; it will simply give the US the incentive to develop better technology that does not need these materials in large quantity's.

It will only compound china pathetic technological capability.

I don't care about China Export tariffs!!!
 

Engineer

Major
Frankly I don't give a Darn about China putting these export tariffs in place; it will simply give the US the incentive to develop better technology that does not need these materials in large quantity's.

It will only compound china pathetic technological capability.
If that is true, the west wouldn't be complaining. If they are at all capable, they should go right ahead and eliminate their dependencies on rare-earth materials. Meanwhile, China should ban all exports of rare-earth materials. If the situation is reversed, the west would not waste a second in doing the samething.
 

Engineer

Major
It is not the job of the United States to subsidize the technological development of the Peoples Republic of China.
China has no obligation to guarantee rare-earths supply to the west.

If China ended its Absolutist Protectionist policy I would think that the Industrialist who control the technology you are whining about would be allow them to exported with out restriction to china.
Because they have a enormous amount of leverage in the government and leveling the playing field would convince them that china is not a threat.
The west don't sell advanced technologies to China, China shouldn't sell raw materials that make those advanced technologies. It is that simple.
 

cmb=1968

Junior Member
If that is true, the west wouldn't be complaining. If they are at all capable, they should go right ahead and eliminate their dependencies on rare-earth materials. Meanwhile, China should ban all exports of rare-earth materials. If the situation is reversed, the west would not waste a second in doing the samething.

I don't care is my personal opinion, and the day the US/China trade deficit drops 50% I will be dancing in the streets.

The government and Industries of the US and the EU are perturbed by the PRC decision to put in place those tariffs on rare mineral exports.

Legally china can do what ever they want with their resources, but they are in violation of the Spirit of the WTO which tries in principle to promote trade.

Today Industry does not like change unlike a hundred years ago when the US Capitan's of industry strived to make their industries as efficient as possible a quality we lost along the way.

We only change when we are forced to, and China's decision might force Industry to adapt which will make china's resources less valuable in the long run.
 
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