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erikh

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I don't know whether what I'm going to say applies in China, and you might as well be right.

In Norway, we only can supply a company or battalion max with laser sensors - they are indeed very scarce. Some laser sensors gets shipped from one part of the country that is the Army's core base and is rotated to other troops in other parts of the country. They are that scarce.

To those that have no laser tags: Well if you don't have a laser sensor, you cannot know whether you are hit or not! For a long time, such exercises have used "combat referees/judges" to rely who's hit or not. They are usually a staff officer who is tasked with overlooking and judge. And they decide whether the weather is too extreme to continue the exercise as well.

I am not saying you are wrong, but it might be like I say. Often, the soldiers in the rear usually don't need. E.g medics, engineers, artillery men etc.
 
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tch1972

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erikh said:
I don't know whether what I'm going to say applies in China, and you might as well be right.

In Norway, we only can supply a company or battalion max with laser sensors - they are indeed very scarce. Some laser sensors gets shipped from one part of the country that is the Army's core base and is rotated to other troops in other parts of the country. They are that scarce.

To those that have no laser tags: Well if you don't have a laser sensor, you cannot know whether you are hit or not! For a long time, such exercises have used "combat referees/judges" to rely who's hit or not. They are usually a staff officer who is tasked with overlooking and judge. And they decide whether the weather is too extreme to continue the exercise as well.

I am not saying you are wrong, but it might be like I say. Often, the soldiers in the rear usually don't need. E.g medics, engineers, artillery men etc.
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It shouldn't be so IMO. Enemy can strike anywhere including the Battalion HQ in an attempt to disrupt the logistic. Everyone should wear laser tag including drivers, medics etc not just the infantry.

Earlier generation MILES not so reliable you can just shoot at the enemy 20m away the the buzzer just don't activate though you are pretty sure you are on target. Latest one I would say is an improvement. It had a digital meter at to indicate where you are hit. It can even randomly select artillery casualties within the proximity. This is done by activating a function in the controller gun held by the umpire/judge.
 
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erikh

New Member
You are correct that it should not be like that, but in reality these laser tags are expensive and scarce and few, which is why they cannot issue laser tags to everybody.

In my opinion, simmunition is the best way to train, although I have not tried it myself. Laser tags does not give the feeling that you can be killed, it might as well promote a little bit of "Rambo-ing" actually, speaking from own experience :p
 
vesicles

vesicles

Colonel
pla101prc said:
its a mistake to think that once you are used to something you can easily adapt to a drastic change in environment. being a member of the military myself, i've seen the attitudes of my buddies who's been in afghanistan, though i have respect for their service, i know that this is not something you can sustain if your enemy is as powerful as say France or Germany. even if soldiers at the basic level can adjust, the leadership might not be able to. its not as easy as you think, aside from morale, there is also the issue of command and operation structure. just go read on why CIA faltered on preventing 911 from happening.
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I think morale also has a lot to do with expectation. If you expect the fight to be easy and a walk in the park and it turns out not the case, you tend to become more frustrated and the morale would be low. On the other hand, if you expect it to be a tough fight going in, you tend to mentally toughen yourself up a bit. Then you would less likely to be frustrated. Look at WWII, the Germans and Japanese were extremely tough enemies, but Allied forces, including many Americans and Canadians, had high morale and eventually won the fight.
 
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tch1972

Junior Member
Not true that it costly. Laser tag is not a standard issue for every soldiers.

In Singapore we only wear it for Battalion unit assessment exercise (ATEC). It liken to a yearly exam for the unit where every departments will be accessed. Things like store equipments, combat readiness, physical fitness. The important component is a field exercise of 4-5days. During this exercise the unit will draw laser tag from the Army general store.. Everybody get to wear one for this exercise. upon the end of the whole affair the laser tags will return back to the store so that the next unit that is going to be assessed will draw them. So that how things work here.

On other occasions we just used simulation. Once enemy overrun our objective, all of us will be declared KIA.
 
rhino123

rhino123

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I believe the most effective way of training is not by these high tech laser tag thingies that are actually not really very effective and it actually added weigh to the rifle (at least in my time).

I think a BB gun of some sort might be more useful. That way, you actually see the opponent hit.
 
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