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Ordinary PLA infantrymen
- Thread starter green beret
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Personally I believe this clip does not accurately reflect the actual exercise.
1. Not really possible to incoorporate live firing of this scale in an exercise where 2 opfor (red and blue) are pitting against each other in a simulated war scenario.(or is it really done this way in China)
2. Some soldiers wore laser sensors on their bodies and rifles fitted with laser emitters. But some don't.
This lead me to believe the clip actually merge footages from a few different exercises.
Also when you capture the objective, the immediate task is to do a hasty defence along the perimeter. This is to prevent the high chance of enemy counter attack before you can settle down. But what I saw was some soldiers standing there waving the red flags as a "declaration of victory". This will never happen in real battle.
Some pointers here:
1: Where does all this "Conscipts are Crap" stuff come from?
The conscripts of Napoleonic France, Prussia, Russia and Imperial Germany beg to respectfully disagree, and I apologise in advance to other notable concript militaries I no doubt ommited.
2: Having operated the G36, yes, I like it, it is accurate, kind towards your shoulder and is very well suited to impressing the female population.
However, its training with the gun, not as much the gun itself, that makes the difference.
3: Regarding the PLA beeing underestimated, that is propably true, although I think that the Russian army gets understimated more in general, with the armies of France beeing underestimated more often by the US (who, incidently, never had large scale conflicts with La grande nation). One could even make a point that the US troops (at least in the last century) may be the most commonly overestimated military formation.
1: Where does all this "Conscipts are Crap" stuff come from?
The conscripts of Napoleonic France, Prussia, Russia and Imperial Germany beg to respectfully disagree, and I apologise in advance to other notable concript militaries I no doubt ommited.
2: Having operated the G36, yes, I like it, it is accurate, kind towards your shoulder and is very well suited to impressing the female population.
However, its training with the gun, not as much the gun itself, that makes the difference.
3: Regarding the PLA beeing underestimated, that is propably true, although I think that the Russian army gets understimated more in general, with the armies of France beeing underestimated more often by the US (who, incidently, never had large scale conflicts with La grande nation). One could even make a point that the US troops (at least in the last century) may be the most commonly overestimated military formation.
2. Some soldiers wore laser sensors on their bodies and rifles fitted with laser emitters. But some don't.
This lead me to believe the clip actually merge footages from a few different exercises.
Also when you capture the objective, the immediate task is to do a hasty defence along the perimeter. This is to prevent the high chance of enemy counter attack before you can settle down. But what I saw was some soldiers standing there waving the red flags as a "declaration of victory". This will never happen in real battle.
In a big exercise, heck even a small one, not everybody is equipped with laser sensors due to the logistics. Laser sensors are expensive equipment, and only given to the most prioritised units on exercises.
the big problem with a lot of the western armies is that they have high morale but cannot maintain it. especially the US, the mental side of things is important and you can see it in them. when they go on the battlefield against the talibans they have better weapon better training better protection more ammo and superior numbers. even if none of these work out they can always call in an airstrike. so although the US is not doing so well on the strategic level, at the tactic side of things they can pretty much win every single match up against the taliban. so the mental pressure is relatively small. but imagine fighting against a relatively advanced military power where your tactical advantages might not be as obvious, how will the soldiers' morale fare in a protracted conflict where they cant just easily obliterate the enemy
It is a mistake to rely upon stereotypes of any sort as they are usually always wrong. Humanity, whether Eastern or Western, Northern or Southern, and in every hue is, in the end, as human as any other human being on the planet.
Japan thought the US was too soft to fight. The US thought the Japanese all had bad vision and were crappy snipers. All wrong. Enemies usually respect each others capabilities in combat. The civvies, having no military experience, are usually clueless.
Japan thought the US was too soft to fight. The US thought the Japanese all had bad vision and were crappy snipers. All wrong. Enemies usually respect each others capabilities in combat. The civvies, having no military experience, are usually clueless.
its a mistake to think that once you are used to something you can easily adapt to a drastic change in environment. being a member of the military myself, i've seen the attitudes of my buddies who's been in afghanistan, though i have respect for their service, i know that this is not something you can sustain if your enemy is as powerful as say France or Germany. even if soldiers at the basic level can adjust, the leadership might not be able to. its not as easy as you think, aside from morale, there is also the issue of command and operation structure. just go read on why CIA faltered on preventing 911 from happening.
Still, it seems to be almost pointless in stereotyping based upon nationality. Vietnam is a relatively contemporary example. On paper, one would have expected the Vietnamese to fold fairly quickly in the face of a much larger and capable military, but they held their ground quite surprisingly in the face of a supposedly superior enemy.
Given that the Vietnamese military was able to absorb and then return punishing fire, one should not automatically assume that Vietnam's enemy fighters or leaders were inherently soft in the morale department. The fact was Vietnam's government was able to continue their policy during and after the war. It is probably a mistake to automatically assume that the government and fighters of Vietnam's enemy were inherently destined to fail based upon predetermined national stereotypes.
Again, what was called into question was not the general idea that troops and their commanders may face adaptivity challenges in battle. What was called into question was the validity of using seemingly ethnocentric overtones to stereotype a particular group of human beings.
Stereotypes are not reliable and are thus of little military value. Cultural training is valuable and does have a place in military tactics. Stereotypes to describe the PLA Infantryman are not helpful. But understanding Chinese culture, the culture of the PLA military, and so on, objectively, is helpful.
Given that the Vietnamese military was able to absorb and then return punishing fire, one should not automatically assume that Vietnam's enemy fighters or leaders were inherently soft in the morale department. The fact was Vietnam's government was able to continue their policy during and after the war. It is probably a mistake to automatically assume that the government and fighters of Vietnam's enemy were inherently destined to fail based upon predetermined national stereotypes.
Again, what was called into question was not the general idea that troops and their commanders may face adaptivity challenges in battle. What was called into question was the validity of using seemingly ethnocentric overtones to stereotype a particular group of human beings.
Stereotypes are not reliable and are thus of little military value. Cultural training is valuable and does have a place in military tactics. Stereotypes to describe the PLA Infantryman are not helpful. But understanding Chinese culture, the culture of the PLA military, and so on, objectively, is helpful.
In a big exercise, heck even a small one, not everybody is equipped with laser sensors due to the logistics. Laser sensors are expensive equipment, and only given to the most prioritised units on exercises.
Military staffs are never cheap to begin with.
This exercise is not a large scale one, just a battalion level exercise. It about the rule of the game, if some soldiers wear laser sensor and some don't how are we suppose to know who got hit and who didn't?
I come to figure out that the discrepancy does not lie in the exercise itself but with the production of the documentary. CCTV borrow footages from other exercises and insert into this production. Not a very professional thing to do.