Olympics 2024 - discussion thread

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Looking good for the Chinese team so far.
That was a world record score. Everyone else just plopped into the water like I would. These ladies scorpion tailed one team member from behind into the air over everyone else into the pool as an opening move. That is a Champion open! I don't know if Russia could have stopped us this time even if they were here.

Score system was overhauled. In Tokyo, the scores looked like 90. Now the scores like 270.
 

Lethe

Captain
Wait, you didn't see the interviews with the Chinese swimmers when they were talking about being tested at the Olympics being woken up at 5am, kept up past midnight? Or did we all misunderstand and they meant that happened like a month ago?

I had not seen those reports, that's why I asked. I now read that there is a claim from a nutritionist on the Chinese Olympic team, Yu Liang, that Chinese swimmers were tested "200 times in 10 days" by the ITA after arriving at the Olympic village, which works out to an average of 1 test per swimmer every 36 hours. Particularly given that some athletes will be tested at higher rates than others, that certainly appears to be potentially disruptive.

What is not clear in these anecdotal reports is the extent to which the frequency and times of testing for Chinese athletes differs from that for the athletes of other nations. I see that there is a "general rule" in the WADA code that testing should be conducted between the hours of 0600 and 2300, but it is also asserted that an athlete under the jurisdiction of a testing authority may be called upon for testing at any time. Given the length of the Olympic day and the sheer number of athletes to be tested, I can certainly envision that post-event testing in particular would push the boundaries of this 0600-2300 "general rule". A certain level of disruption may be inevitable. The question is if that disruption is distributed equally. If Chinese athletes are being tested at significantly higher frequencies, as seems likely, it is also likely that they will encounter more testing at the earliest and latest times of the day, potentially disproportionately disrupting their sleep schedules and impairing their performance.

The ITA testing at the Paris Olympics is conducted according to a "Test Distribution Plan" developed by the ITA according to the principles of the WADA International Standard for Testing and Investigations. So far as I can tell from that document, there is no pretense to equality in testing, rather the only constraint on targeted testing is that such must be driven by legitimate anti-doping aims and considerations such as the level of perceived risk and reward, and most certainly includes background factors such as athletes having previously recorded AAFs for Trimetadizine, whether subsequently attributed to environmental contamination and closed with no ADRV recorded or not...

All tests are meant to be entered into WADA's ADAMS database, so if there is an inequitable or otherwise objectionable pattern of testing, the data should exist to demonstrate that. Less clear is who has access to the relevant data in that database, more specifically if any organ minded and empowered to advocate for the interests of China's athletes has access to the data necessary to do so. After all, for certain purposes it is not sufficient to observe that e.g. certain elite Chinese swimmers were tested on three occasions after midnight and twice before 0600, you also need to be able to demonstrate that this schedule was unnecessary and that athletes from other nations were not subjected to similar schedules. That the Americans were not immediately jumping up and down about China recording 28 AAFs in early 2021 suggests that USADA does not have access to that level of data.
 
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manqiangrexue

Brigadier
I had not seen those reports, that's why I asked. I now read that there is a claim from a nutritionist on the Chinese Olympic team, Yu Liang, that Chinese athletes were tested "200 times in 10 days" by the ITA after arriving at the Olympic village, which works out to an average of 1 test per athlete every 36 hours. Particularly given that some athletes will be tested at higher rates than others, that certainly appears to be potentially disruptive.

What is not clear in these anecdotal reports is the extent to which the frequency and times of testing for Chinese athletes differs from that for the athletes of other nations. I see that there is a "general rule" in the WADA code that testing should be conducted between the hours of 0600 and 2300, but it is also asserted that an athlete under the jurisdiction of a testing authority may be called upon for testing at any time. Given the length of the Olympic day and the sheer number of athletes to be tested, I can certainly envision that post-event testing in particular would push the boundaries of this 0600-2300 "general rule". A certain level of disruption may be inevitable. The question is if that disruption is distributed equally. If Chinese athletes are being tested at significantly higher frequencies, as seems likely, it is also likely that they will encounter more testing at the earliest and latest times of the day, potentially disproportionately disrupting their sleep schedules and impairing their performance.

The ITA testing at the Paris Olympics is conducted according to a "Test Distribution Plan" developed by the ITA according to the principles of the WADA International Standard for Testing and Investigations. So far as I can tell from that document, there is no pretense to equality in testing, rather the only constraint on differential testing is that such must be driven by legitimate anti-doping aims and considerations such as the level of perceived risk and reward, most certainly including background factors such as athletes having previously recorded AAFs for Trimetadizine, whether subsequently attributed to environmental contamination and closed with ADRV recorded or not...

All tests are meant to be entered into WADA's ADAMS database, so if there is an inequitable or otherwise objectionable pattern of testing, the data should exist to demonstrate that. Less clear is who has access to what data in that database, more specifically if any organ that might be minded and empowered to advocate for the interests of China's athletes has access to the data necessary to do so. After all, for certain purposes it is not sufficient to observe that e.g. certain elite Chinese swimmers were tested on three occasions after midnight and twice before 0600, you also need to be able to demonstrate that this schedule was unnecessary and that athletes from other nations were not subjected to similar schedules. That the Americans were not immediately jumping up and down about China recording 28 AAFs in early 2021 suggests that USADA does not have access to that level of data.
It's not that complicated. I really only care about the testing schedule in the week or 2 weeks prior to the Olympics. It can't interfere with athlete's sleep. I don't care what the rule is; they need to change it or whatever if it's allowed and follow it if it's not. The other way, worse way, is to wake up all athletes in the middle of the night to make it fair. Random testing at those hours can't be personal; if you wanna do 3am testing, then summon all the swimmers for tomorrow's meet at 3am. One thing is clear and that it's demonstrably unfair to wake up one team in the middle of the night before their comp but let their rivals sleep undisturbed. I don't know if the rules address this but it they don't then they need to be changed so they do.
 

henrik

Senior Member
Registered Member
Maybe something wrong with the equipments? Lots of gymnasts had a bad dismount on Men's Horizontal bar, just like lots of gymnasts fell off the balance beam.

Some Chinese audiences blame it on the material of the mat, that caused them to lose balance on the landing.
 
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