North Korea Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
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Indeed. And I don't expect that any senior members of the CCP are masquerading as forum members. So I was pre-empting a comment I have heard ordinary people using as a reason not to do anything about North Korea.
There is an interesting question as to whether the US should have had kept talks with Pyongyang going later than it did. But the current situation seems to be that the US won't agree to one-on-one talks as things stands, because they'll be used for propaganda purposes and because Pyongyang has been duplicitous during previous direct talks.
Rather, the US (I believe) wants multi-party talks or for North Korea to make changes to its nuclear/military policy first. After all, it was North Korea that lied about how it was "not" developing nuclear weapons. And given North Korea's significant threat to its neighbours, I can see why South Korea and Japan, at the very least, would want to be included too.
You can argue that's not sensible, but I don't think that North Korea will give up its nuclear weapons just because 'Lil Kim can sit down with Trump or the Secretary of State. I don't know that North Korea will give up its nuclear weapons as a result of any negotiations (whilst the Kim Dynasty are in charge, anyway), unless maybe there was an iron-clad agreement that it would get something like $100 billion of international aid a year forever.
Fear and war mongering propaganda and actual military threats regularly come from the US and SK as well. The real intractable problem is that NK, SK, and the US have normalized themselves into such a cycle of threats, in this sense acquiring nuclear capabilities vs conventional capabilities make no difference and is merely a logical continuation of the same behavior. This is why China and Russia's proposal calls for both sides to pause their mutual threats, at least the actual military ones, as a first step.
When military much stronger countries like UK and France call their nuclear arms deterrents there is no reason to believe that NK will launches its nukes on a whim.
We should get rid of all nukes and might begin with those of NK but that presupposes an end to threats by US and independence for South Korea thus enabling eventual reunification.
We should get rid of all nukes and might begin with those of NK but that presupposes an end to threats by US and independence for South Korea thus enabling eventual reunification.
Mr T
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South Korea is independent - that's a fact. As for reunification, the Kim Dynasty will never accept it, because they would lose power. The South would insist on multi-party democracy throughout the newly unified Korea. Even if the Kims were allowed to rig elections in the North, because the North Korean population is about half of that in the South they'd never win an election.
Anyway, I guess this is a non-political thread, so maybe don't talk about Korean politics, just the military issues?
Equation
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The South are just looking for real estate opportunity to further their bank accounts. That's why unification would benefit them the most.
Sorry Delft but how you can say it and do such comparisons seriously ! only naives can trust you !
Why do you think NK is investing in nukes and missiles?
I understand that, and I would do the same if I were you to not get my time wasted.Indeed. And I don't expect that any senior members of the CCP are masquerading as forum members. So I was pre-empting a comment I have heard ordinary people using as a reason not to do anything about North Korea.
AssassinsMace
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The real exploiter is the US using these events to panic the world into taking action for something the US is most worried about. It's for the world not the US. It's like how they wanted to contain China when they had a primitive military and every advancement was an excuse to call for containment of China. The fact is this is about the very same thing all the way from the beginning... regime collapse and change in favor of the US. Everything else is just an excuse. North Korea and the US have the same no retreat, no surrender mentality. The only reason why North Korea is targeted is because they're the kid they think they can easily bully. Ironic you have a small country, that they say is the one of the poorest countries, paranoid that everyone is out to get them and you have the most powerful country in the world paranoid that everyone is out to get them. Which one do you think has a more legitimate position to be paranoid?
I was watching Morning Joe this morning and they had Gordon Chang and of course for him it's really about using North Korea to get the US to punish China for his personal grudge. The Western media's go-to so-called expert on China's military who thinks the JF-17 and FC-1 are totally two different aircraft pointed out that launcher for this latest missile was Chinese. Oh is he getting the TEL accusation mixed-up in here because that wasn't a TEL this latest missile was launched from certainly not how missiles get launched from Chinese TELs. Remember how they use to believe China couldn't make a TEL? They were really Russian. That's the problem with the West. They can't separate their wishful thinking from reality. They never thought North Korea could do any of this hence why the unconditional surrender attitude all the time for anyone not Western. Denial at its finest and China is an example where still they don't want to abandon their wishful thinking that is at the center of cause of all this mess. Again Americans see negotiation and compromise as weakness. The US's tactic has proven not to work but it's the only one where the US gets everything they want while no one else gets anything. That's why they stick to it.
It's ironic that Morning Joe is in a personal dispute with Trump. They don't like Trump at Morning Joe but when they put on faux experts like Gordon Chang with his lies, fake news, and alt facts, it's the reason why people vote for Trump.
I was watching Morning Joe this morning and they had Gordon Chang and of course for him it's really about using North Korea to get the US to punish China for his personal grudge. The Western media's go-to so-called expert on China's military who thinks the JF-17 and FC-1 are totally two different aircraft pointed out that launcher for this latest missile was Chinese. Oh is he getting the TEL accusation mixed-up in here because that wasn't a TEL this latest missile was launched from certainly not how missiles get launched from Chinese TELs. Remember how they use to believe China couldn't make a TEL? They were really Russian. That's the problem with the West. They can't separate their wishful thinking from reality. They never thought North Korea could do any of this hence why the unconditional surrender attitude all the time for anyone not Western. Denial at its finest and China is an example where still they don't want to abandon their wishful thinking that is at the center of cause of all this mess. Again Americans see negotiation and compromise as weakness. The US's tactic has proven not to work but it's the only one where the US gets everything they want while no one else gets anything. That's why they stick to it.
It's ironic that Morning Joe is in a personal dispute with Trump. They don't like Trump at Morning Joe but when they put on faux experts like Gordon Chang with his lies, fake news, and alt facts, it's the reason why people vote for Trump.