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Valiant 1002

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New satellite image of North Korea's new frigate
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They write:
"While the netting prevents detailed measurement, the FFG is approximately 140 meters long, making it the largest warship manufactured in North Korea."

This seems to confirm the empirical measurements I made
We know for sure that there is a deep well forward of the superstructure where the VLS will be installed, but satellite imagery also reveals two suspicious “squares” at the stern where the VLS may also be installed.

It certainly doesn't look like anything resembling a hangar and a helipad, and North Korea has nothing currently operational in its helicopter inventory that could be equipped on the ship.
 

sahureka

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We know for sure that there is a deep well forward of the superstructure where the VLS will be installed, but satellite imagery also reveals two suspicious “squares” at the stern where the VLS may also be installed.

It certainly doesn't look like anything resembling a hangar and a helipad, and North Korea has nothing currently operational in its helicopter inventory that could be equipped on the ship.
It is not known whether they are operational today, but in the early 2000s the DPRK received two ex-Cuban KA-28 ASW (export version of the KA-27) and with the good relations with Russia and the improved capabilities of the North Korean technicians they could soon become visible and operational again.
Here again with the colors of Cuba
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DPRK two Ka-28s without rotor blades. Photo: 2019 Google Earth Prom
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It is worth remembering that in terms of size the KA-28 is shorter than an AB-214ASW, but much taller, therefore in addition to an adequate landing deck, if a hangar is wanted to store it, this will be immediately recognizable when the tarpaulins that protect the frigate from prying eyes are removed.
To date it is very difficult to understand whether or not it will have an adequate landing deck for an ASW helicopter or as is fashionable today only a platform for a Drone-UAV with vertical take-off and landing capability
 
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sahureka

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Assuming the use of drones, in January 2024 Kim Jong-un was photographed near a helicopter drone for agricultural use, which I think could also be adapted for naval surveillance tasks or other,
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then always returning to piloted helicopters, the DPRK also has a compact helicopter at its disposal
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which in the past in an ASW version was used by Spain
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but surely these are only hypotheses.
 

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Ok. I choose to believe your North Korean ASW helicopter theory. But probably not the Ka-28; there is no clear and convincing evidence that they are still operational. The MD-500s are so important to Special Operations Forces that it's hard to believe they'd transfer them to the Navy, and their small size might limit their feasibility anyway.

I'm thinking about the Mi-2s. Theoretically it could carry the same or better payload than those MD-500s (depending on configuration), with a dedicated passenger compartment and cargo hatch that could, again - in theory, be converted into an operations compartment for a submarine hunting crew.

Also, yeah, a heli drone may also possible too.
 

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Ok. I choose to believe your North Korean ASW helicopter theory. But probably not the Ka-28; there is no clear and convincing evidence that they are still operational. The MD-500s are so important to Special Operations Forces that it's hard to believe they'd transfer them to the Navy, and their small size might limit their feasibility anyway.

I'm thinking about the Mi-2s. Theoretically it could carry the same or better payload than those MD-500s (depending on configuration), with a dedicated passenger compartment and cargo hatch that could, again - in theory, be converted into an operations compartment for a submarine hunting crew.

Also, yeah, a heli drone may also possible too.
if stored in a hangar, the problem for the MD-500 and MI-2 helicopters is the diameter of the main rotor which have non-folding blades that would require the construction of a large hangar, in any case the one for the MD-500 would have more feasible dimensions having a rotor diameter of 8.03 m, while that of the MI-2 is 14.5 m.,
So, certainly, the KA-27/28 which with folded blades measures only 3.8 m in width, would remain the best choice.
We just have to wait and see if Kim Jong-un wants to surprise us once again by showing the frigate with ASW helicopters, or as with the Amnok and Tunan class, this frigate will be without them, leaving the anti-submarine defense to torpedoes and ASW rockets, leaving all the space saved by the construction of a hangar and flight deck for helicopters to implement additional artillery armament and missile capabilities.
 

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Considering Saetbyol-9 seems to be powered by Allison 250-C20B that is half weight along5% more horsepower and 15% to 20% more efficient too than GTD-350P used in Mi-2 then North Korea could develop own modification or derivative of Mi-2 comparable to PLZ Kania.

MD-500 blade rotor diameter is 8 meters thus it would fit inside hangar if there was one and 14.5 meters for Mi-2 though North Korea could always develop a new rotor for latter that has more blades at reduced length to reduce diameter thus fit inside hangar if they wanted to.

Though most optimal would be to develop purpose built chassis for an ASW helicopter.
 

Valiant 1002

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North Korea could develop own modification or derivative of Mi-2 comparable to PLZ Kania.
I quite like this scenario, considering that the Mi-2 was built (partly) under license domestically (as the Hyoksin-2) in fairly large numbers, which means they understand this machine very well and long-standing domestic overhauls have created a complete ecosystem to support their maintenance.
 

yugocrosrb95

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I quite like this scenario, considering that the Mi-2 was built (partly) under license domestically (as the Hyoksin-2) in fairly large numbers, which means they understand this machine very well and long-standing domestic overhauls have created a complete ecosystem to support their maintenance.
It is assembly and (some) maintenance, though question remains how much if any effort was put into partial or full reverse engineering and manufacturing of Mi-2 yet though best option long term is to design new purpose built helicopter tor anti submarine warfare and so on.

Anyway...
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Valiant 1002

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Too many abandoned MiG-21s in the photos. No wonder, it's a miracle they're still flying until very recently. That said, the Il-28s are surprisingly durable.

If North Korea could develops an ALBM that can be mounted on those Il-28s, the threat level from them will once again increase. An EW version would also be cool by modifying the bomb bay... if they figure out how to generate enough output power.
 

yugocrosrb95

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I honestly can not find purpose for Il-28's in these contemporary times even if they were modified considerably due to existence of both Saetbyol-4 and Saetbyol-9 while bomb bay is limited to at most dimensions of FAB-3000 of 3.3 meter length and 1 meter diameter.
 
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