North Korea about to launch Taepodong-2

Troika

Junior Member
I'm sure all those North Korean with internet access will thank you for your congratulations :p


I think that's the point, the ones who do are the ones with an interest in this. :p

It's the ones without internet access who won't be tickled pink that their money is not gone to luxuries like 'food'... :(
 

Baibar of Jalat

Junior Member
I'm sure all those North Korean with internet access will thank you for your congratulations :p

Read my previous post, I forsee tech transfer if it is successful to other nations. Dont hate on my comment because I am saying what some people are thinking but are not posting.
:p
 

Semi-Lobster

Junior Member
Read my previous post, I forsee tech transfer if it is successful to other nations. Dont hate on my comment because I am saying what some people are thinking but are not posting.
:p

As planeman stated already, the interests of Iran and Syria in rocketry have diverged from that of North Korea, the only country who would need to develop such a long range rocket, even for 'peaceful commercial purposes';) is North Korea itself.
 

Baibar of Jalat

Junior Member
As planeman stated already, the interests of Iran and Syria in rocketry have diverged from that of North Korea, the only country who would need to develop such a long range rocket, even for 'peaceful commercial purposes';) is North Korea itself.

If this missile uses a new engine or fuel or other components that can be transferred to other designs, inc syria, Iran, Pak etc programs.

NK are willing to sell, shown from past sales. However only issue would be UN resolutions against any sale but since no one trusts NK to abide by them.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
NKorea launches rocket, defying world pressure
By JEAN H. LEE and JAE-SOON CHANG, Associated Press Writers Jean H. Lee And Jae-soon Chang, Associated Press Writers
2 mins ago

SEOUL, South Korea – North Korea fired a rocket over Japan on Sunday, defying Washington, Tokyo and others who suspect the launch was cover for a test of its long-range missile technology. President Barack Obama warned the move would further isolate the communist nation.

Liftoff took place at 11:30 a.m. (0230 GMT) from the coastal Musudan-ri launch pad in northeastern North Korea, the South Korean and U.S. governments said. The multistage rocket hurtled toward the Pacific, reaching Japanese airspace within seven minutes, but no debris appeared to hit its territory, officials in Tokyo said.

Four hours after the launch, North Korea declared it a success. The satellite reached outer space in just over nine minutes and was orbiting without any problems, the state-run Korean Central News Agency said in a dispatch from Pyongyang.

The U.N. Security Council approved an emergency session for Sunday afternoon in New York, following a request from Japan that came just minutes after the launch.

Sunday's move was a bold act of defiance against Obama, Japanese leader Taro Aso, Hu Jintao of China and others who pressed Pyongyang in the days leading up to liftoff to call off a launch they said would threaten peace and stability in Northeast Asia.

"North Korea has ignored its international obligations, rejected unequivocal calls for restraint and further isolated itself from the community of nations," Obama said in Prague, urging Pyongyang to honor the U.N. resolutions and to refrain from further "provocative" actions.

But China, Pyongyang's biggest source of economic aid and diplomatic support, urged all sides to maintain calm and exercise restraint. It offered to play a "constructive role," though some fear it could use its veto power to block a unified response to the launch at the Security Council.

North Korea says the experimental "Kwangmyongsong-2" communications satellite was sent into orbit in a peaceful bid to develop its space program.

The U.S., South Korea, Japan and others suspect the launch was a guise for testing the regime's long-range missile technology — a worrying step toward eventually mounting a nuclear weapon on a missile capable of reaching Alaska and beyond.

They contend the launch violates a U.N. Security Council resolution barring the regime from ballistic missile activity, part of efforts to force North Korea to shelve its nuclear program and halt long-range missile tests.

State Department spokesman Fred Lash called the launch a clear violation of Resolution 1718, adopted five days after North Korea carried out a nuclear weapons test in 2006. The U.S. will "take appropriate steps to let North Korea know that it cannot threaten the safety and security of other countries with impunity," he said in Washington after the launch.

Japan's U.N. mission immediately requested a meeting of the 15-nation council Sunday, spokesman Yutaka Arima said. Mexico, which holds the 15-nation council's president this month, set the meeting for 3 p.m. EDT (1900 GMT), spokesman Marco Morales said.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said he regretted North Korea's move "against strong international appeal" at a time when nuclear disarmament talks involving six nations remain stalled.

"Given the volatility in the region, as well as a stalemate in interaction among the concerned parties, such a launch is not conducive to efforts to promote dialogue, regional peace and stability," Ban said in a statement from Paris.

At the United Nations, diplomats have begun discussing ways to affirm existing sanctions on North Korea. Envoys said permanent council members U.S., Britain and France are unlikely to secure agreement on new sanctions from veto holders Russia and China, North Korea's closest ally. They spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the discussions.

North Korea, which says its participation in a U.N. space treaty protects its right to send a satellite into orbit, took pains to alert international maritime and aviation authorities of the rocket's flight path, in marked contrast to 2006, when it carried out a surprise launch.

It was not immediately apparent if the rocket was mounted with a satellite as North Korea has claimed, Japan's chief Cabinet spokesman Takeo Kawamura said.

In Seoul, an unnamed government official told the Yonhap news agency the trajectory of the rocket suggests it was mounted with a satellite but said it was unclear whether it made it to orbit.

"Even if a satellite was launched, we see this as a ballistic missile test and we think this matter should be taken to the United Nations Security Council," Kawamura said.

The first stage of the rocket dropped about 175 miles (280 kilometers) off the western coast of Akita into the waters between Japan and the Korean peninsula. The second stage was aimed for the Pacific at a spot about 790 miles (1,270 kilometers) off Japan's northeastern coast, a Defense Ministry spokeswoman said in Tokyo.

Japan had threatened to shoot down any debris from the rocket if the launch went wrong, and positioned batteries of interceptor missiles on its coast and radar-equipped ships off its northern seas to monitor the liftoff.

No attempt at interception was made since no debris fell onto its territory, a Defense Ministry spokeswoman said in Tokyo, speaking on condition of anonymity, citing department rules.

However, in addition to calling for the Security Council meeting, Japan threatened to add more bilateral sanctions onto those it imposed after the July 2006 launch of a similar Taepodong-2 long-range missile that fizzled 42 seconds after takeoff.

South Korea, which technically remains at war with the North because their three-year conflict ended in 1953 in a truce rather than a peace treaty, put its forces on heightened alert.

North Korea, one of the world's poorest nations, is led with absolute authority by leader Kim Jong Il, who is poised to preside over the first session of the country's new parliament on Thursday. The appearance will be his first major public appearance since reportedly suffering a stroke last August.

Amid the controversy over the rocket launch, North Korea announced last week it would put two American reporters detained at the border with China on trial for allegedly entering the country illegally and engaging in "hostile acts."

Laura Ling and Euna Lee, reporters for former Vice President Al Gore's Current TV media venture, were seized by North Korean soldiers on March 17.

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Associated Press writers Hyung-jin Kim in Seoul, Eric Talmadge in Tokyo, Pete Yost in Washington, Christopher Bodeen in Beijing and John Heilprin at the United Nations contributed to this report.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press.
 

Mr T

Senior Member
I think that's the point, the ones who do are the ones with an interest in this. :p

It's the ones without internet access who won't be tickled pink that their money is not gone to luxuries like 'food'... :(

Indeed. North Korea can't afford to feed its own people, yet alone support a space project. Yet it decides the latter is more important than the former and spends everything it has on the military.

Their leaders are monsters, pure and simple.

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And it was a failure to boot.

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North Korea failed in its attempt to get a satellite into space after a rocket launch early on Sunday, US and South Korean officials say.
 
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Neutral Zone

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North Korea failed in its attempt to get a satellite into space after a rocket launch early on Sunday, US and South Korean officials say.

That of course is if they were attempting to put a satellite into orbit. More likely this was simply a test of the Taepodong 2 carrying a dummy warhead. In that case you would have to say that it looks like a successful test.
 

SteelBird

Colonel
I have the same feeling, Neutral Zone. The N-Korea never have a space program, the name was just used to cover its missile test. Looks like Kim is quite a trouble maker. Looks, the North Korea has been worthy of the name a closed palace for his family. I hope someday someone in NKorea can stand up and free the North people.
 

Mr T

Senior Member
That of course is if they were attempting to put a satellite into orbit. More likely this was simply a test of the Taepodong 2 carrying a dummy warhead. In that case you would have to say that it looks like a successful test.

True. But it goes to show if they really are satisfied with the test then their story is a sham.

'Course we know it's a sham anyway. :D
 

Neutral Zone

Junior Member
I have the same feeling, Neutral Zone. The N-Korea never have a space program, the name was just used to cover its missile test. Looks like Kim is quite a trouble maker. Looks, the North Korea has been worthy of the name a closed palace for his family. I hope someday someone in NKorea can stand up and free the North people.

I have a feeling that Kim is a lot smarter than people give him credit for. His first concern is to preserve the regime and this test is a warning to the U.S, Japan and ROK. He will know where the line is and as long as he doesn't do anything more aggressive then there will be no war. We had a thread on here a year or 2 back, and the consensus was that if Kim's actions were going to lead to war or upset the regional power balance then China would carry out a palace coup. We would wake up one morning to hear that Kim had, in the time honoured fashion, "slipped on a bar of soap," and an emergency government has taken power. Ideally I think China would want the DPRK to follow it's path of a controlled transformation to a capitalist economy that would secure the DPRK's survival. As much as people may not like Kim no one is seriously considering causing an implosion of the regime because of the chaos and the destabilization that would cause.
 
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