No More EU Arms Embargo On China in 2020

aquilis182 · Oct 30, 2007

antiterror13 said:
I think it would be better off for China as now with embargo as it "force" China to increase R & D and develop more and more advanced system.

EU arm embargo is nothing but politic ... China has received some advanced sub systems from many EU countries like Germany, France, Italia, etc you name it.

so with or without embargo AND whether you like it or hate it .. China will be progressing in a very fast pace in about every fields

2010-2012 is a critical time for China and Taiwan ... after that .. no chance for Taiwan to fight against China even with USA

Jeje. Please correct me if Im wrong. But that sound to me like you believe that if China manage to get rid of the arms embargo U.S. & Taiwan will stop modernizing their force. If you forget U.S. fly his first stealth figher fly in 18 June 1981. (chek

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then select F-117 Nighthawk) 26 years later and l still dind see China do the same thing and you expect China to match or surpass U.S. in 2012 in technology? I don't mean disrespect buddy. Im just surprise about it.

King_Comm · Oct 30, 2007

aquilis182 said:
Jeje. Please correct me if Im wrong. But that sound to me like you believe that if China manage to get rid of the arms embargo U.S. & Taiwan will stop modernizing their force. If you forget U.S. fly his first stealth figher fly in 18 June 1981. (chek
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then select F-117 Nighthawk) 26 years later and l still dind see China do the same thing and you expect China to match or surpass U.S. in 2012 in technology? I don't mean disrespect buddy. Im just surprise about it.

==Well, there is no technological barrier preventing the Chinese from building something like F-117 right now, but something like F-117 is pretty useless for China. Remember, in the past 10 years, the technological gap between China and west has been narrowed from over 30 years to less than 15 years, the US forces deployed in the Western Pacific already holds little advantage against the Chinese.

I disagree most strongly. After all the US will continue to modernise its forces, and Taiwan will increase its own defensive capabilities. Then there are basic problems China will always have in attacking Taiwan.

==Chinese GDP is 8 times that of Taiwan, and the gap is still growing at a rapid rate, there is no way Taiwan is going to increase its defense capability to a degree that can defend against China.

akinkhoo · Oct 30, 2007

Israel had leak quite a bit technology, if China couldn't take advantage of it, I doubt Euro will yield better result.

what about Sweden, is Sweden willing to sell to china? imo their wares fit chinese requirement more than european ones. and Sweden are known to provides good support and are willing to share technical data, making integration easier.

Deleted member 675 · Oct 30, 2007

akinkhoo said:
what about Sweden, is Sweden willing to sell to china? imo their wares fit chinese requirement more than european ones.

Sweden is a part of the European Union.

As far as I know it has not shown any interest in either lifting the embargo or selling direct to China/co-operating on military technology.

sumdud · Oct 30, 2007

Infra Man99. There's a button in which you press to report to the moderators. You do not flame out like this on a thread. On the button, you are new, I will give you a chance, but next time you will be warned.

But as for your comments, I'll leave that at the full mercy of the other mods.

aquilis182 · Oct 31, 2007

King_Comm said:
==Well, there is no technological barrier preventing the Chinese from building something like F-117 right now, but something like F-117 is pretty useless for China. Remember, in the past 10 years, the technological gap between China and west has been narrowed from over 30 years to less than 15 years, the US forces deployed in the Western Pacific already holds little advantage against the Chinese.

If you notice in this very same website you will find out than China already have proyects for stealth planes but yet haven't build anything like it jet. If you mean the F-117 is not a big deal I agree with you. The only 2 things that make good this plane is the ground attack capability and the stealth. Despite that i can't take away too much credit from the plane that did a great job in the scearies tha U.S. use it. did you have idea how many radar stations and missiles the f-117 avoid before get shootdown in Kosovo just because the weapons bay dind close? Even the J-10 is intend to have some stealth charasteristic. Remember the very early J-10 desing with the air intakes like the F-16s? Well production model have the intakes like the EF-2000s and the Mig MFI (1.44). I agree the J-10 may be superior than the American F-16s, F/A-18s and even the Russian SU-27s but still not a 5th generation fighterjet. I dont think The PLAAF agree with you when you say something like a plane like the F-117 is useless tho them scince they attemp to provide some degrees of stealthtiness to the J-10 and have projects like the J-XX to produce stealth fighters. Proyects like that dind take a week for success. Even U.S. take years of research and billions of $ to produce stealth planes, in the other hand we have Russia that may have some sort of stealth technology at least we can see the demonstrators like the S-37 (SU-47 Berkut) and the Mig MFI (Mig 1.42 or 1.44) shamefully Russia couldn't not afford such planes and have in mind projects like the PAK FA but gonna take few years in fully success. The reallity of today is that U.S. is the only country who can produce stealth planes. Believe me whe I say than China (or any other country) that want to avoid their planes to be shootdown will required to have stealth planes.

King_Comm · Oct 31, 2007

aquilis182 said:
If you notice in this very same website you will find out than China already have proyects for stealth planes but yet haven't build anything like it jet. If you mean the F-117 is not a big deal I agree with you. The only 2 things that make good this plane is the ground attack capability and the stealth. Despite that i can't take away too much credit from the plane that did a great job in the scearies tha U.S. use it. did you have idea how many radar stations and missiles the f-117 avoid before get shootdown in Kosovo just because the weapons bay dind close? Even the J-10 is intend to have some stealth charasteristic. Remember the very early J-10 desing with the air intakes like the F-16s? Well production model have the intakes like the EF-2000s and the Mig MFI (1.44). I agree the J-10 may be superior than the American F-16s, F/A-18s and even the Russian SU-27s but still not a 5th generation fighterjet. I dont think The PLAAF agree with you when you say something like a plane like the F-117 is useless tho them scince they attemp to provide some degrees of stealthtiness to the J-10 and have projects like the J-XX to produce stealth fighters. Proyects like that dind take a week for success. Even U.S. take years of research and billions of $ to produce stealth planes, in the other hand we have Russia that may have some sort of stealth technology at least we can see the demonstrators like the S-37 (SU-47 Berkut) and the Mig MFI (Mig 1.42 or 1.44) shamefully Russia couldn't not afford such planes and have in mind projects like the PAK FA but gonna take few years in fully success. The reallity of today is that U.S. is the only country who can produce stealth planes. Believe me whe I say than China (or any other country) that want to avoid their planes to be shootdown will required to have stealth planes.

==Stealth capabilities is very useful to China, but something like F-117 is not, as it is pretty much useless against all of China's potnetial adversaries, China needs something that can overcome 5th generation fighters and the latest air defence systems, and that's what they are working on right now.

Mr_C · Oct 31, 2007

King_Comm said:
==Stealth capabilities is very useful to China, but something like F-117 is not, as it is pretty much useless against all of China's potnetial adversaries, China needs something that can overcome 5th generation fighters and the latest air defence systems, and that's what they are working on right now.

Hi King, fellow digger. Well i can understand that an attack plane such as a f117 is not much use to China at the moment because its airforce is still pretty much defence oriented so therefore they have a more pressing requirement for a plane that can overcoem 5th generation fighters and bombers such as the B2 and the F 117 has a very crude payload. But in terms of overcoming the latest air defence system... wouldn't a steath attack plane or bomber be useful?

Nethappy · Oct 31, 2007

Hi King, fellow digger. Well i can understand that an attack plane such as a f117 is not much use to China at the moment because its airforce is still pretty much defence oriented so therefore they have a more pressing requirement for a plane that can overcoem 5th generation fighters and bombers such as the B2 and the F 117 has a very crude payload. But in terms of overcoming the latest air defence system... wouldn't a steath attack plane or bomber be useful?

Another digger... hehe

No a Steath attack plane or bomber is not that useful when the PLAAF is defence oriented force, maybe in the future. The resource is much better use in developing radar, place and integrated air defense system which can overcome the sleath of a 5th generation fighter. Future more under current situation using cuisine missile would make a better reiteration weapons then bomber or attack plane as the Plaaf don't currently has the neassary equipment and training to create a effective strike package that attak place and bomber needs as support to operate properly.

King_Comm · Nov 1, 2007

The term "digger" have been given such a jingoistic undertone by politicians that it feels rather awkward when someone actually calls you that....

As to stealth bombers, F-117 and B-2 are incapable of overcoming the air defence systems of China's adversaries. they need something like the F-22 that is capable of low altitude high speed penetration. Plus, wars are fought between systems of systems, one or two advanced weapon don't guarantee victory, nor do the lack of certain advanced weaponry guarantee defeat.

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