Night Fight, how do infantry fight in High Tech Era

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King_Comm

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utelore said:
OK, again, bright light does not affect thermal just intense heat. the new tech you are talking about is turning a human who's temp is 98.7 will become a total different color on the optic thus marking and tracking humans. this is going beyond white and black hot and ////dont know how open source this is.

SCRATCH, I think you are confused with image intensifiers and thermal optics. Image intensifiers use ambient light and the moon and direct IR lamps. Thermal is based on total heat. two complete different systems and operations.
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He is making the distinction, older image intensifiers could be blinded by strong light, but newer ones have protective circuitry that stops it from happening. Then he commented about how thermal imagers are the wave of the future.

To deal with enemies who have a lopsided advantage in night vision equipments, it might be necessary to miniaturise EMP weaponry, making them into rifle grenades, RPG rounds, land mines etc, but for vehicle mounted sensors, since the metal chassis of the vehicles acts as Faraday cages, exceptionally powerful EMP devices might need to be developed.
 
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RedMercury

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Or the IR reduction personal equipment the Russians are working on, or the IR reduction body-paint PLA special forces (and others around the world probably) already have. IR is no longer revolutionary now, it just makes everything cost more.
 
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Scratch said:
Maybe there's a misunderstanding between the two of us, because I think I didn't say anything contrary to your explanation.
I'm aware that image intensifiers "use" the very little "visible" light and also near IR (?), not heat radiation, and intensify/ brighten it up, up to several thousand times, to let the human eye see again in the (nearly) dark.
However, if one directs a flashlight at your II, and that light is still intensified, you are blinded and the optics may suffer damage. Now, I think modern II can adjust to that and stop intensifying bright light further, in order to not blind the operator.
This is what I wanted to say. I understand that said flashlight does not affect thermal visions.
Wich is also why I said for future applications it seems more promising than II, plus thermals give also advantages at day.

Side mounted MMW radar is interesting stuff for sure, if it can be made small enough to function reliably for a single soldier.

Some time ago I've read about microphoes mounted on HMMWVs to detect the direction of snipers by the bang of the rifle.
How about mounting such things on a helmet/ vest for situational awareness. Can you comment somewhat on that?
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Wow detecting sniper location that would suck big time for the sniper...I know you can calculate the distance from you to the sniper with some simple physics [yes its pretty easy] but knowing where they are exactly is quite remarkable.

I would still go for heat detection cause Night Vision cannot always see a target, saw a target is in a gillie suit you wont see it with NVG. But if its heat detection Gillie Suit or bare ass you can spot them.

Though the question some engineers and designers would be asking is how to detect if its friend or foe??? Range of heat detection with also be limited in range too..cause heat dispates really fast across distance and time.
 
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Scratch

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In the future when a land warrior like system is available and has a blue forces tracker integrated, you'll have a red X displayed in your sights when aiming at a friendly.
If everyone carries a GPS reciever and constantly feeds his position into a netwrok, everyone can see the position of everyone else ...
I'm not sure though what's the biggest challange here; making the comm suite small enough, make it cheap enough, or get the requierd bandwidth.
 
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juli.mafia

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Hey guys don't try to find countermeasures to things the adversary does better but try to do the same things they do.(if possible)In this case China should equipp its troops with night vision technology.But it's not only the night vision and x-rays or infared vision.What about the lens that every american soldier has on its automatic weapons,the GPS,the radio(so if one sees that an enemy is approaching his friend can warn him in advance through the radio)And what about enhanced body-armor.What about metal detectors(in a marines squad the metal detector is used by the recon,wich is the responsible for early warning of his comrades.The metal detector is a sensor that individualizes aproaching threats of firearms 50-100 metres away)The problemn it's not that easy,brothers.Still friend of China.Yours forever Juli
 
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guys, with all due respect, china and russia are so far behind the U.S in regards to optics and counter-optic distortion it would not be a fair fight.

Your radios would be jammed by ****/***/*******,***** fiber optic and hardline nodes polarized by CRISPYS while realtime sat comm data links, next gen optic satellites, global hawks,and stuff you don't even know about see you clear as day at night.

The U.S has spent the last 5 years developing a redundant 100% real time optic based situational awareness program that is fully functional.

Money talks and if china ups its DB by 500% over 9 years and then it too can see what the U.S sees over the whole world and3 more years could put a Hellfire,AT/CM or a SDB on a 3m CEP within 23 seconds to 1 hour of target ID and track anywhere in the world.....cheers ute.

post script, I loved the metal detector thing, I could not stop laughing for 15 minutes I thought I recieved a email from 1952....juli you slay me buddy
 
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utelore

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Pointblank said:
Technology is not a substitute for using your brains and your senses. It is only a tool to enhance your ability to operate.
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Tech is BRAINS. But, you tell that to the T-62/MTLB company in perfect hull down fighting postitions I smoked at Wadi Al Batin in the dead of night. I think me and my wingman smoked about 114 pretty smart men who were using there brains. just the poor bastards could not see at night.thats called tech over brains
 
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RedMercury said:
And when your comm suite is jammed, no X appears, and you pop your buddy. Sounds great!
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And today, you not only shoot your body when your jammed, but all the time, since that tech currently is not used in the field. (Don't what the SOFs are playing with, though)
I just wanted to desribce what's possible, not death proof. And I guess/hope a comm suite would know/ tell when it's jammed, since the network is down.
 
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