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sinophilia

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Anlsvrthng said:
Fertility ratio correlated with the change of the WEALTH for the whole population.


Russia the fertility increased as the best part of population get more comfortable with the material wellbeing .
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There is an inverse correlation. The wealthier countries almost always have lower fertility. This exists within countries and between countries.

Also I don’t know where this belief that rich people have more kids than the middle class came from. All the data I’ve seen suggests otherwise. It is especially bad among rich and highly educated women, where in some countries the fertility rate for that SES demographic is near zero.
 
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Anlsvrthng

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sinophilia said:
There is an inverse correlation. The wealthier countries almost always have lower fertility. This exists within countries and between countries.

Also I don’t know where this belief that rich people have more kids than the middle class came from. All the data I’ve seen suggests otherwise. It is especially bad among rich and highly educated women, where in some countries the fertility rate for that SES demographic is near zero.
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You don't get it, the people doesn't feel or care with the level of living difference between say Bangladesh, all that they care about is the change in they conditions.

Means if they see that the salary , material wellbeing growing, and they feel secure then they happy to have more child.

however if they have less salary, feeling like they can't cover the bills , or struggling to get job then they won't consider to have baby.

The USA/European middle class income stagnating, the new jobs available paying less than the old ones, means the workers has insecurity and stagnating/decreasing level of living, hence the falling fertility rate.

And don't forget, just living in a high cost city and having very high salary doesn't means the person living well, considering that probably he /she can afford only a small apartment due to the high rents. From the same salary in a low cost country he/she could afford a spacious house, childcare and so on - making easy to have kids.
 
PiSigma

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ZeEa5KPul said:
I'm going to take this sentence here as my writing prompt to vent. There's quite a few characters on this site that take the laughable view that China is underpopulated and should increase its population by another billion or some such nonsense, because apparently the US is going to add a billion people - I guess they're going to build a Stargate to another dimension to get those people, because that's about the only conceivable way they could accomplish that. Anybody who sees the insanity of this is an Enemy of the People and a useful idiot for the - and this isn't my term - "globohomo" agenda.

How is this growing Chinese population of their fantasies supposed to be fed? China can barely keep up with feeding its growing middle class with meat, and some people here want to compound that? The closest thing they give to an answer is "vertical farming". If anyone thinks soy skyscrapers are ever going to be a thing, I would advise them to reduce the dosage on their hallucinogens.

The funny thing is, the problem actually has an answer. There is a way to not only drop meat prices in China through the floor, but feed another billion people with a middle-class diet on a fraction of the agricultural land in use in China today while maintaining 100% self-sufficiency. All it requires is redefining "meat" - and with that, let me introduce you to the most strategic technology in existence today:

I hate to come off as a fanboy for any company (let alone an American one), but those guys are the real deal. I had one of their "hamburgers" a while back and I could tell right away it wasn't beef - because it didn't have any disgusting gristle in it. It's better than the vast majority of what gets sold as beef. China needs to get on top of this synthetic hemoglobin technology quickly.
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The impossible beef taste terrible. It's better than other fake meats out there, but it's not anywhere close to palatable. You need to eat some good beef from Canada before judging what beef should taste like. American beef taste like cardboard.

Chinese people prefer pork anyway, it can be expanded with verticals farming of soy.
 
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PiSigma said:
The impossible beef taste terrible. It's better than other fake meats out there, but it's not anywhere close to palatable. You need to eat some good beef from Canada before judging what beef should taste like. American beef taste like cardboard.

Chinese people prefer pork anyway, it can be expanded with verticals farming of soy.
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I remember we had a discussion previously where you dismissed the idea that mass desalination would be feasible in China, yet you think soy skyscrapers are going to be a thing?

Most people I've talked to about Impossible beef share my opinion (and yes, we all know what good beef tastes like), but a few people find it very objectionable. There might be an interesting genetic basis for that, like how asparagus affects some people's urine.
 
NiuBiDaRen

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ZeEa5KPul said:
I remember we had a discussion previously where you dismissed the idea that mass desalination would be feasible in China, yet you think soy skyscrapers are going to be a thing?

Most people I've talked to about Impossible beef share my opinion (and yes, we all know what good beef tastes like), but a few people find it very objectionable. There might be an interesting genetic basis for that, like how asparagus affects some people's urine.
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Simple solution; feed the West and the Third World insects so that Chinese can continue bingeing on pork and other meats. The World Food Programme is actively exploring insects as a way to ensure adequate protein intake in Third World nations. Before you laugh at me, insects contain a ridiculously high amount of protein for their low mass, and rearing insects is easy as f*ck. That's why the WFP says insects could be a solution for protein inadequacy in Third World countries.



Let the Westerners eat bugs while we Chinese eat our meats. I don't want fake meats anyway. White people always complain about China's population being a burden; they can take one for the planet this time around by eating insects.
 
PiSigma

PiSigma

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ZeEa5KPul said:
I remember we had a discussion previously where you dismissed the idea that mass desalination would be feasible in China, yet you think soy skyscrapers are going to be a thing?

Most people I've talked to about Impossible beef share my opinion (and yes, we all know what good beef tastes like), but a few people find it very objectionable. There might be an interesting genetic basis for that, like how asparagus affects some people's urine.
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Skyscrapers to grow soy is very much feasible, tell me how it's not?

Mass desalination to water inland is expensive... Show me the economics to make it possible.

I went to try the impossible burger with a big group of people including 2 vegetarians for a work party, none of us like it except for the already vegetarians... It's not converting any meatarians to vegatarians for sure.
 
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PiSigma said:
Skyscrapers to grow soy is very much feasible, tell me how it's not?

Mass desalination to water inland is expensive... Show me the economics to make it possible.

I went to try the impossible burger with a big group of people including 2 vegetarians for a work party, none of us like it except for the already vegetarians... It's not converting any meatarians to vegatarians for sure.
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Any aspiring taikonaut will have to wean himself off porterhouse steak if they want to travel to Mars, won't they?
 
ZeEa5KPul

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PiSigma said:
Skyscrapers to grow soy is very much feasible, tell me how it's not?

Mass desalination to water inland is expensive... Show me the economics to make it possible.

I went to try the impossible burger with a big group of people including 2 vegetarians for a work party, none of us like it except for the already vegetarians... It's not converting any meatarians to vegatarians for sure.
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Let's start with the sunk costs of building a skyscraper for the purpose of growing a low-value crop. You're going to have to grow a lot of that crop to pay back those costs, and more crop requires more levels which raises the capital cost. That alone kills it, but to add insult to injury we can add the electricity costs for providing the light for photosynthesis - light your competitors get for free from the sun. Water you'll either use a lot of and pay high running costs or you'll use efficiently and increase the capital cost to put in the efficient infrastructure.

As a "meatarian" myself, once the Impossible patty becomes more widely available in my neck of the woods, I won't pick up a packet of 80/20 again.

And this isn't directed at you specifically (you tried the stuff and didn't like it, fair enough), but the mentality I see here is rejection of the idea of plant-based meat out of principle. It's like it's an act of self-affirmation to eat animal meat. In a Westerner, I would say this is just the usual petty entitlement they have about everything, but in this case I believe it's a manifestation of the nouveau riche mentality a lot of Chinese people are afflicted with, "No! I made it and I'm going to eat dead animals, goddamit!!"

I'm giving you the cheat codes that will get China to 100% food security while boosting every single Chinese citizen to middle-class status, and the feedback I'm getting from you is "mUh DeAd PiGs!" America has a fifth of China's population and more arable land, they can afford to rape their environment raising livestock to their hearts' content - China doesn't have that luxury.
 
localizer

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One of my ideas is some kind of mass water diversion of flood season waters to the deserts. 2 birds 1 stone cuz that area causes sandstorms too.

Over time the climate in the desert should change once vegetation starts growing.

This way we can also bridge civilization to xinjiang.
 
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