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I hope that China does ease up the and start promoting fertility policies soon, not to become like Niger and produce 7 kids per woman but to at least maintain the advantage China has. If and when the food importation and natural resource problems are solved in some tech future in 10 or 100 or 1000 years, then hell yes China should start seriously promoting population growth. As many kids as humanly possible. If it is possible for a trillion children per women then we should do it, again assuming the resources are their to provide for that many people. Are their people seriously opposed to this that are pro-Chinese?? WTF

Power comes from POPULATION, plus intelligence, and good governmental policies. Does anyone want to tell me that Denmark is rich and smart but not powerful because they simply choose not to? Some people are so silly it's embarrassing. If you argue for a much smaller China then you are doing every Chinese person a disservice and calling for your own peoples displacement.

Do people here really think America would be a superpower if it had 80 million people? It is to laugh..

sinophilia said:

I hope that China does ease up the and start promoting fertility policies soon, not to become like Niger and produce 7 kids per woman but to at least maintain the advantage China has. If and when the food importation and natural resource problems are solved in some tech future in 10 or 100 or 1000 years, then hell yes China should start seriously promoting population growth. As many kids as humanly possible. If it is possible for a trillion children per women then we should do it, again assuming the resources are their to provide for that many people. Are their people seriously opposed to this that are pro-Chinese?? WTF

Power comes from POPULATION, plus intelligence, and good governmental policies. Does anyone want to tell me that Denmark is rich and smart but not powerful because they simply choose not to? Some people are so silly it's embarrassing. If you argue for a much smaller China then you are doing every Chinese person a disservice and calling for your own peoples displacement.

Do people here really think America would be a superpower if it had 80 million people? It is to laugh..

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The programs do exist, but might take some time to produce results.

While vacationing back in december i met some farmers with 2 kids from hubei who talked about how they had 2 kids and were supposed to get like $200

But it was hard to get that money and the officials proly stole it.



Honestly there are better ways of approaching this such as abolishing hukou for the next generation of kids and reducing taxes. Figuring out new ways to educate other than making gaokao the focus of everything.

Don’t make welfare babies like in the US.


Or China can import fellow mandarin speaking asians.

localizer said:

The programs do exist, but might take some time to produce results.

While vacationing back in december i met some farmers with 2 kids from hubei who talked about how they had 2 kids and were supposed to get like $200

But it was hard to get that money and the officials proly stole it.

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Yes I’ve read of many local programs like this! I’m happy to hear it, though I hope that guy gets his money. Hopefully there are easy avenues to report theft like that if it actually took place.

The problem is I assume it won’t be enough. This problem seems very hard to solve. So many countries have instituted natalist and pro-fertility policies and it seems so damn hard to change the habits of a population. In Russia they are getting very desperate and it’s having no effect.

I think Chinese government officials have been realizing over the last 5 years that even if they assume a pro-fertility stance it won’t make much of a difference so it must be sped up so the population at least stabilizes and doesn’t decease (not like it’s gonna result in a baby boom anyway). Though unfortunately in the interest of ‘stability’ this stuff is so slow to change.

sinophilia said:

Yes I’ve read of many local programs like this! I’m happy to hear it, though I hope that guy gets his money. Hopefully there are easy avenues to report theft like that if it actually took place.

The problem is I assume it won’t be enough. This problem seems very hard to solve. So many countries have instituted natalist and pro-fertility policies and it seems so damn hard to change the habits of a population. In Russia they are getting very desperate and it’s having no effect.

I think Chinese government officials have been realizing over the last 5 years that even if they assume a pro-fertility stance it won’t make much of a difference so it must be sped up so the population at least stabilizes and doesn’t decease (not like it’s gonna result in a baby boom anyway). Though unfortunately in the interest of ‘stability’ this stuff is so slow to change.

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Yea I mean if you look at the West, the people that have lots of kids are the really poor and really rich.

But I think China will go down Japan’s path unless we can greenify the desert and build cities in the tibetan plateau and sea. Or we take Mongolia and Australia hehe

Food tech can only go so far when people desire more privacy and room. A lot of sea turtles buy single family homes in the countryside out of habit.


Don’t want to end up like hellhole hongkong.

sinophilia said:

I 1000% agree with everything you said, though I think taking over America is kind-of unrealistic and we shouldn't be obsessing about silly imperialist colonization schemes imo anyway. After all, if America is colonized by China, what do you do with all the Americans? I'm all for competition and becoming the supreme nation, people, etc. on the planet, in the solar system, in the fucking galaxy, but I'm not for killing grandmas and children, even if they are soulless Americans who supported the same in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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The Anglos in Australia have a perennial fear over being 'swamped by asians'. I'd like to grant them that fear by swamping them with Chinese soldier settlers and deporting those that resist, back to the UK. That is a far more humane treatment than they could ever expect from being the heirs and beneficiaries to a successful process of genocide and lebensraum.

The United States is simply a larger more tougher version to crack, but there is precedent; look at the Han Dynasty vis-a-vis the Xiongnu. The USG wanted a 'whole of society response' race war against China and the inevitable outcome of such a 'response' is genocide/and/or ethnic displacement.

hashtagpls said:

The Anglos in Australia have a perennial fear over being 'swamped by asians'. I'd like to grant them that fear by swamping them with Chinese soldier settlers and deporting those that resist, back to the UK. That is a far more humane treatment than they could ever expect from being the heirs and beneficiaries to a successful process of genocide and lebensraum.

The United States is simply a larger more tougher version to crack, but there is precedent; look at the Han Dynasty vis-a-vis the Xiongnu. The USG wanted a 'whole of society response' race war against China and the inevitable outcome of such a 'response' is genocide/and/or ethnic displacement.

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Well America will inevitably become like South Africa. Not even Brazil where maybe 40-50% of the population is White.

Right now America is 60% White, and decreasing as a proportion of the population by 0.5 percentage points every year. Assuming that stays constant and doesn't speed up or slow down much then Whites will become 50% in 2040 and 20% by 2100.

In South Korea the total fertility rate has fallen to 0.84 per woman. That means in a single generation, the population will drop by more than half. But it's worse than that as the fertility rate has been falling so fast... last year it was 0.92 and now it's 0.84. At this rate, pretty soon they won't have much of a country.

This despite the fact that the government has been paying out subsidies for years, and likely will pay more in the near future.

I'm sure the situation is similar in some Chinese cities as well. Places like this need drastic measures to stabilize the situation. Massive subsidies for basic costs of living like housing, education, and child care. Reduce the cost of quality schooling, raise the number of places in good universities, abolish hukou, reduce the importance of gaokao, reduce taxes, offer more support to mothers, support to single parents, and offer everyone a guaranteed job with a living wage.

Further there need to be some brute force methods like giving huge amounts of money to have a child (like multiple years' worth of income), or offering full time jobs only to people who have a child. The problem is that in the modern world, having a child does not benefit the parents economically, rather it is a gigantic drain, unlike in the pre-modern world, where children could help parents economically and did not cost as much. Childless people get to live a fun life, there are so many distractions like TV and movies, Internet forums, tourism, sports, parties, etc. etc. Whereas parents have a hard task of building up the next generation and the future of the nation, which is a lot harder than in the past. People's expectations of parenthood are much higher. Now everyone needs the best schools, the best child geniuses, the best jobs... There needs to be a social and cultural revolution to stabilize and rebuild the population.

gadgetcool5 said:

In South Korea the total fertility rate has fallen to 0.84 per woman. That means in a single generation, the population will drop by more than half. But it's worse than that as the fertility rate has been falling so fast... last year it was 0.92 and now it's 0.84. At this rate, pretty soon they won't have much of a country.

This despite the fact that the government has been paying out subsidies for years, and likely will pay more in the near future.

I'm sure the situation is similar in some Chinese cities as well. Places like this need drastic measures to stabilize the situation. Massive subsidies for basic costs of living like housing, education, and child care. Reduce the cost of quality schooling, raise the number of places in good universities, offer more support to mothers, support to single parents, and offer everyone a guaranteed job with a living wage.

Further there need to be some brute force methods like giving huge amounts of money to have a child (like multiple years' worth of income), or offering full time jobs only to people who have a child. The problem is that in the modern world, having a child does not benefit the parents economically, rather it is a gigantic drain, unlike in the pre-modern world, where children could help parents economically and did not cost as much. There needs to be a social and cultural revolution to stabilize and rebuild the population.

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Poor people should have less children, rich people should have more. There is also a correlation between wealth, income, etc. and intelligence so it's a double plus. There must be ways to incentivize this.

sinophilia said:

Poor people should have less children, rich people should have more. There is also a correlation between wealth, income, etc. and intelligence so it's a double plus. There must be ways to incentivize this.

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The reason poor people have children is that they have no expectation. Their lives are already bad so by having more children they don't really change their situation much. Very rich people already have it made, they can afford nannies and day cares and the best schools, they have no worries, so why not have children?

The people in the middle however, they want a good life but having children will get in the way of it. A child will force them to spend a huge amount of time raising it, will limit their freedom and happiness, and cause them to double or triple their required expenses with no gain in income. As societies develop, there are fewer and fewer poor people (good) and more and more people in this middle group, who have no good rewards for having a child and starting a family. And the very rich people are very few.

This is the fundamental problem. This is killing society. Currently the incentives in society for individuals are not aligned with the needs of society. The individual has no incentive to get married, let alone to have children. Whereas for the health of society, it needs individuals to do both of these things.

sinophilia said:

Yes I’ve read of many local programs like this! I’m happy to hear it, though I hope that guy gets his money. Hopefully there are easy avenues to report theft like that if it actually took place.

The problem is I assume it won’t be enough. This problem seems very hard to solve. So many countries have instituted natalist and pro-fertility policies and it seems so damn hard to change the habits of a population. In Russia they are getting very desperate and it’s having no effect.

I think Chinese government officials have been realizing over the last 5 years that even if they assume a pro-fertility stance it won’t make much of a difference so it must be sped up so the population at least stabilizes and doesn’t decease (not like it’s gonna result in a baby boom anyway). Though unfortunately in the interest of ‘stability’ this stuff is so slow to change.

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Fertility ratio correlated with the change of the WEALTH for the whole population.


Russia the fertility increased as the best part of population get more comfortable with the material wellbeing .