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Weaasel

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gadgetcool5 said:
It is voluntary though. The US has no jurisdiction over Europe or Korea or China. They could say screw the US, we are developing our own independent equipment and supply chains. But will they do it? No they won't. And even if it were involuntary, who cares? It makes no difference. At the end of the day, they choose to comply with the US, they will comply with the US. That is all that matters.

And not only chipmakers, but China's own consumers will abandon Huawei. Don't think the home market is safe. You can talk about patriotism all you want, but not many people want to go around with an inferior phone just to be politically correct.

And not only China's chipmakers and consumers, but Huawei's own employees will abandon Huawei. They already are, as many of their talented designers have jumped to other companies. Oppo. Vivo. Xiaomi. Samsung. Apple. There are plenty of alternatives. At the end of the day, no opportunities, no salary, no workers.

In short, Huawei will have no friends. The US government's power is so great that it can control and compel everyone. That is why China should seek better relations with the US instead of fighting.
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You think that by sucking up to the United States that will make the United States treat China any better. You are extremely defeatist.
 
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Weaasel

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gadgetcool5 said:
“China’s had active industrial policy around semiconductors for almost forty years, as long as semiconductors have been around, and they just can’t make it happen because it’s so difficult to do. It’s a very complex ecosystem, so you can’t go out and replicate all of that.”

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LOL no problems guys, don't listen to defeatist old me. GYNA #1 full speed ahead.
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Buddy, that statement quoted in bold actually ignores the progress that China has made in semiconductors during that period of time. China is presently much more advanced in semiconductor manufacturing capability than it was 40 years ago, and much more advanced that the United States was 40 years ago. It still trails the US, the West in general, and Japan in by an appreciable extent, but it is not a antiquated by any means. Check out companies like AMEC, Naura, and SMEE with regards to semiconductor and IC chip manufacturing equipment capabilities and processes. You should also follow progress in applied research that has been made by various institutes of the Chinese Academy of Science in the last decade. If you did follow anything that WTAN and LatenLazy wrote and linked on this forum with regards to the Chinese semiconductor and IC Chip Manufacturing Industry, you even laugh at that quote.
 
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taxiya

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manqiangrexue said:
I mostly agree and said that intent trumps blood. (I edited that into my thing but it was after you had already began composing so you did not see that part.) And that's why it really doesn't matter what passport or citizenship gadgetfool holds; his intent has disqualified him.
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Understood.

All I'm saying is do take the time to find out what someone is about and don't write them off as non-Chinese and unworthy of brotherhood simply because they carry a different passport (which may be temporary).
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Agreed. Just to make myself clear, I wrote him off the moment he called Xinjiang "concentration camp", the "rolling back" and the "better relationship" before he revealed himself holding a foreign passport. So my judgement was not based on his paper but his deed.
 
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taxiya

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solarz said:
I think you're placing too much focus on the existence or lack of a foreign passport.

The passport is just a consequence of having lived in a particular country for a long time. It's how they spent those years that shape their views, not whether they hold a new passport or not.
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That was not my point actually.

I was trying to put forward a question. Let's put passport aside since that is sensitive. Let me put the question in another way.

Let's say, a person resigned from company A and joined B which has no direct competition with A. He would have no hesitation of talking about A when in B, joking either sides. If instead of B he joined C which is in a fight for survival/domination with A, what do you expect the person to think, to speak and most importantly to act? Now if he is in a influential position and have a chance of talking to his counterpart in A, what would he argue for? Encourage A to fight on? Or convince A to give up and surrender? Do all his years of serving A matter? Do all his old friends' live-hood in A matter? Or does his position and salary and bonus matter the most?

I was specifically aiming at Gadgetfool when I placed my words. I was aware of the harsh side of the words may cause others uncomfortable. For that I apologize, but nobody can turn away from the question and its implication when making their choice intended or not. I emphasize the "not" because I believe a lot people belong to this group "doing things with self-convincing good intentions" like "I am doing it for the love of you" aka the "bridge".

It is an interesting point that "the years shape their views, not the paper". Of course the years do the job. But is the paper just a driving certificate? Or is it a witness of an oath that a person takes? If the person is true to his/her heart, then it is not just a piece of paper, but the very bottom line that drives his/her choice (the motivation, the intention), that drives him/her to join the debate here. On the other hand if the person is not true to the heart when taking the oath and paper, then why would that person even bother to get involved in a dispute between two countries let alone waste his/her time arguing in this forum with total strangers? Isn't getting his own wallet filled the only thing he/she cares?
 
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solarz

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taxiya said:
That was not my point actually.

I was trying to put forward a question. Let's put passport aside since that is sensitive. Let me put the question in another way.

Let's say, a person resigned from company A and joined B which has no direct competition with A. He would have no hesitation of talking about A when in B, joking either sides. If instead of B he joined C which is in a fight for survival/domination with A, what do you expect the person to think, to speak and most importantly to act? Now if he is in a influential position and have a chance of talking to his counterpart in A, what would he argue for? Encourage A to fight on? Or convince A to give up and surrender? Do all his years of serving A matter? Do all his old friends' live-hood in A matter? Or does his position and salary and bonus matter the most?

I was specifically aiming at Gadgetfool when I placed my words. I was aware of the harsh side of the words may cause others uncomfortable. For that I apologize, but nobody can turn away from the question and its implication when making their choice intended or not. I emphasize the "not" because I believe a lot people belong to this group "doing things with self-convincing good intentions" like "I am doing it for the love of you" aka the "bridge".

It is an interesting point that "the years shape their views, not the paper". Of course the years do the job. But is the paper just a driving certificate? Or is it a witness of an oath that a person takes? If the person is true to his/her heart, then it is not just a piece of paper, but the very bottom line that drives his/her choice (the motivation, the intention), that drives him/her to join the debate here. On the other hand if the person is not true to the heart when taking the oath and paper, then why would that person even bother to get involved in a dispute between two countries let alone waste his/her time arguing in this forum with total strangers? Isn't getting his own wallet filled the only thing he/she cares?
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I can only speak for myself. I acquired Canadian citizenship when my parents became Canadian citizens. I did not swear any oaths, nor did I ever renounce my Chinese identity. Now you may say that my parents did it for me, but I would respectfully disagree with the assertion that anyone but myself can make that decision for me.

Now the reality is, I grew up in Canada. I presently have neither the opportunity nor the desire (at least for now) to move my life and my family to China. The way I see it, if there's one thing China doesn't lack, it's people. I see no benefit to me going to China to compete with millions of other software developers for a job.

Now as a Chinese, I fully support China's rise, and I am happy to see the progress it has made over the years. However, even as a Canadian, I do not see any reason for Canada to antagonize China for the benefit of the US. On the contrary, even looking at things from a Canadian national interest point of view, I see much more benefit in better China-Canada relations than the opposite. The Meng Wanzhou fiasco is the worst political mistake Justin Trudeau has ever made, and I am speaking as someone who would vote Liberal anyway, because the alternatives are just worse.

To put it simply, Canada is my home, but China is my nation.
 
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latenlazy

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solarz said:
I can only speak for myself. I acquired Canadian citizenship when my parents became Canadian citizens. I did not swear any oaths, nor did I ever renounce my Chinese identity. Now you may say that my parents did it for me, but I would respectfully disagree with the assertion that anyone but myself can make that decision for me.

Now the reality is, I grew up in Canada. I presently have neither the opportunity nor the desire (at least for now) to move my life and my family to China. The way I see it, if there's one thing China doesn't lack, it's people. I see no benefit to me going to China to compete with millions of other software developers for a job.

Now as a Chinese, I fully support China's rise, and I am happy to see the progress it has made over the years. However, even as a Canadian, I do not see any reason for Canada to antagonize China for the benefit of the US. On the contrary, even looking at things from a Canadian national interest point of view, I see much more benefit in better China-Canada relations than the opposite. The Meng Wanzhou fiasco is the worst political mistake Justin Trudeau has ever made, and I am speaking as someone who would vote Liberal anyway, because the alternatives are just worse.

To put it simply, Canada is my home, but China is my nation.
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Second a lot of this. I don’t think gadgetcool is some kind of fake Chinese or traitor (way too much of those accusations being thrown around these days). He wants what he thinks is best for China. We can all disagree about what we think that is but I don’t think distorting someone’s identity or intent just because they don’t fall in line with your views is really fair or justified.
 
Hendrik_2000

Hendrik_2000

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latenlazy said:
Second a lot of this. I don’t think gadgetcool is some kind of fake Chinese or traitor (way too much of those accusations being thrown around these days). He wants what he thinks is best for China. We can all disagree about what we think that is but I don’t think distorting someone’s identity or intent just because they don’t fall in line with your views is really fair or justified.
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And how do you know that he is not fake Anybody can say he is Chinese American!
The way he extoll American exception and prowess. And at the same time disparaging or ignoring Chinese progress smell to me like he is white American posting as Chinese American. It is hubris plain and simple Characteristic of you know who. Notice he never reply to rebuttal of his post He is here only to needle and antagonize people another tell tale sign. He derive pleasure from that I think you are too generous!
 
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s002wjh

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Hendrik_2000 said:
And how do you know that he is not fake Anybody can say he is Chinese American!
The way he extoll American exception and prowess. And at the same time disparaging or ignoring Chinese progress smell to me like he is white American posting as Chinese American. It is hubris plain and simple Characteristic of you know who. Notice he never reply to rebuttal of his post He is here only to needle and antagonize people another tell tale sign. He derive pleasure from that I think you are too generous!
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oh come on there is no point for him to lie, there are plenty oversea chinese that dont like Xijinping, or the current type government

for example, read the comment in this video youll find alot chinese anti-xijinping
 
Hendrik_2000

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
latenlazy said:
Second a lot of this. I don’t think gadgetcool is some kind of fake Chinese or traitor (way too much of those accusations being thrown around these days). He wants what he thinks is best for China. We can all disagree about what we think that is but I don’t think distorting someone’s identity or intent just because they don’t fall in line with your views is really fair or justified.
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And how do you know that he is not
s002wjh said:
oh come on there is no point for him to lie, there are plenty oversea chinese that dont like Xijinping, or the current type government

for example, read the comment in this video youll find alot chinese anti-xijinping
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And you are clairvoyant? How do you know by just reading his post Come one like they say bird of the same feather like to flock together
Use your brain what video with critic has anything to do with whether gadgetcool is an impostor or not
 
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