News on China's scientific and technological development.

China must work on all technologies, not just focus on Semiconductor and jet engine supply chains.

Whatever field there is, we Chinese will dominate one day. This way Chinese youth can have a diverse choice of jobs to choose from.


So far China is close to dominating all forms of low and mid tier manufacturing.

gadgetcool5 said:

As a matter of curiosity, I wonder, in regards to the leading edge tech, assuming that the world is really going into a depression (mostly the USA and other countries like India/UK/etc) given the current chaos in the USA right now, who on earth will be around to buy that particular tech since most of the people who could've afford those kinds of goods are not going to be around to do so again in 2 years time due to having no job so maybe mid tier tech might be all they can hope to get if they are lucky

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Hi gadgetcool5,

From my point of view, what you had said is reason for the total spectrum tech ban, They are afraid they will be left behind. Its all for nothing strategy, The US hold a minority part of the critical supply chain, but that alone can hold any company or country back if sanction is being use. They are afraid that as China had economically recover, they will advance more tech wise, so why not impede their tech plan now, while we sort our problem.

I really feel sorry for tech company in Taiwan, SK and Japan. Its really a golden opportunity for them to expand and take market share from the US. but their master will never allow them that chance, such is the price of being a vassal state.

So we will wait for the next 2- 3 years if China can able to surmount this challenges. It will be a long wait for us here in SDF, and hopefully some of you will stay and remain, we will sure look back and reminisce about our discussion on this thread.

localizer said:

China must work on all technologies, not just focus on Semiconductor and jet engine supply chains.

Whatever field there is, we Chinese will dominate one day. This way Chinese youth can have a diverse choice of jobs to choose from.


So far China is close to dominating all forms of low and mid tier manufacturing.

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Well, China isn't a nation that stands still and given the current climate and that there are many in China that are ready and waiting for an opportunity to prove themselves and given that covid is mostly under control, and also to mention that Trumps actions has a great tendency to epic fail (heck the USA companies in China including there tech firms don't have any real intention to move away so they obviously see the writing on the wall), China's strength in technology is a matter of when this happens, not if and also does the USA have the ability to drive innovation, they cannot get the whole Boeing issues fixed, let alone the vaccine they are working on, just so happens to be untrustworthy and there is a very high chance they would just simply release it, safety be damned

My thoughts on Carl's Tweets.


TikTok
As it appears TikTok is not selling, it looks like an Oracle TikTok won't be able to take over the world.

Now, America can (and probably will) ban TikTok from the Apple and Google app stores worldwide. However, that leaves alternative app stores such as Aptoide, F-Droid, APKPure, etc. If Fortnite is confident it can thrive outside of Google Play, I don't see a reason TikTok can't.

Now, Apple users will find it difficult to download TikTok. However, Apple's only a small share of the global market. In addition, let's say Fortnite and TikTok and WeChat and DJI are banned from the international Apple app store. By that point iPhones are actually losing a lot of value, and Apple is in trouble.


Non-American Global App Store
How can America sanction an app store? They're websites and applications which let you download other apps. I guess they can try to prevent Americans (e.g. AWS) from hosting the website, but there are tons of alternatives. Hosting a website is not hard.

Now, they could also try to apply SWIFT sanctions to the app store company (lol). However, that doesn't stop the app store from functioning. Also the F-Droid global app store is non-profit, so lol. Finally, I'm quite skeptical America will sanction a European app store (and most non-American global app stores are European, not Chinese).

Sanctioning Facebook for participating in Aptoide or F-Droid doesn't work either. You download Facebook off of Google Play. Then you download TikTok off of APKPure or Aptoide.


Ali Cloud, Tencent Cloud
I'm not 100% sure what semiconductors are needed for cloud computing. I think many of them are America, albeit manufactured in Asia. So there's a vulnerability there.


AliPay, WeChat Pay
I believe it's currently very difficult/impossible for non-Chinese banks to link with AliPay/WeChat Pay (and let's be frank, it's not happening in the next five years, mainly because of the capital flight fear). So this sanction does nothing.

daifo said:

Seems more for the case for the world to decouple from the USA.

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Exactly. Psychology 101: if a person is asked not to touch his nose, whatz the result? He will touch it again and again lol. People have seen how crazy trump/USA has been trying very hard to slow down or destroy china's progress, for no reason at all, oh yeah natsec, so that USA is not left behind. Whatz the result: ppl will load their trucks with tons of Huawei smartphones running HarmonyOS. Ppl would rather be good mother truckers than being repressed by the stable genius

I wonder how many Chinese will buy new iphone this year.

We should record their identities in case of the next war. These will likely be the traitors.

localizer said:

I wonder how many Chinese will buy new iphone this year.

We should record their identities in case of the next war. These will likely be the traitors.

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There's no need for that. That's something only the US would stoop down to.

It's like those people who were throwing bricks at the US embassy back when the Chinese embassy got bombed. Bricks and broken windows won't make the US change, you can only achieve that by becoming stronger yourself.

localizer said:

China must work on all technologies, not just focus on Semiconductor and jet engine supply chains.

Whatever field there is, we Chinese will dominate one day. This way Chinese youth can have a diverse choice of jobs to choose from.


So far China is close to dominating all forms of low and mid tier manufacturing.

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hi localizer,

Its a good motivating factor.

I know there will be a lot of suffering and inconvenience this tech ban had for many Chinese, but for me its a good opportunity for the Chinese youth to show their worth. This is the reason GOVT and your parent prepare you for, TO SERVE YOUR COUNTRY IN HER TIME OF NEED. There will be no more excuses, either you are a contributor to society or a trouble maker, we are all in to it together.

Temstar said:

There's no need for that. That's something only the US would stoop down to.

It's like those people who were throwing bricks at the US embassy back when the Chinese embassy got bombed. Bricks and broken windows won't make the US change, you can only achieve that by becoming stronger yourself.

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Hi Temstar,

The Chinese had outgrown that behavior long ago, the proof of that is there are no major incident and rallies against the US. And some American were amused that the Chinese had mature and most of their countrymen had become childish and spoiled.

ansy1968 said:

Hi Temstar,

The Chinese had outgrown that behavior long ago, the proof of that is there are no major incident and rallies against the US. And some American were amused that the Chinese had mature and most of their countrymen had become childish and spoiled.

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I know and I'm very proud of that fact. I knew all the way back in the days of Japanese boycott that it doesn't solve anything.

It's like earlier in the year when Indians were smashing Chinese TV and goods and stuff, I saw those scenes and was like "oh wow, we were there a few decades ago, and now being on the opposite end it's so clear now how useless of a gesture that was."