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AndrewS

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People I know who work at TSMC tell me their protocol is to destroy everything in case of mainland invasion. :D So looks like for EUV China will have to do extra work.

Yes, but would that actually happen at TSMC?

China could publicly say that anyone who destroys stuff will be hunted down in Taiwan and anywhere else in the world.

But also say that TSMC ownership and employees will remain as-is in the aftermath.

So what are TSMC shareholders, managers and employees going to do?
 

localizer

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Yes, but would that actually happen at TSMC?

China could publicly say that anyone who destroys stuff will be hunted down in Taiwan and anywhere else in the world.

But also say that TSMC ownership and employees will remain as-is in the aftermath.

So what are TSMC shareholders, managers and employees going to do?

They probably didn't think that far. Probably US helped them come up with that idea.

I guess they'll escape to the US?
 

antiterror13

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like pointing them in the wrong direction? They might get away with it for a few months. Perhaps they reduce the frequency of it happening buy introducing performance reviews and bonus incentives for results?
I wonder if there are any Chinese working for ASML?


There are many many Chinese working at ASML .... in China itself there are over 1,000 people with 12 offices and 1 Global training center
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localizer

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There are many many Chinese working at ASML .... in China itself there are over 1,000 people with 12 offices and 1 Global training center
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Pretty much all of these companies keep their core technology (the actual research, manufacturing, ...) at home and send reps to foreign offices.

They can pull all the technical employees easily.
 

AndrewS

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They probably didn't think that far. Probably US helped them come up with that idea.

I guess they'll escape to the US?

But if Taiwan is being invaded, that means Taiwan has already been cut off.

So how would anyone from TSMC expect to escape to the USA?
 

localizer

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But if Taiwan is being invaded, that means Taiwan has already been cut off.

So how would anyone from TSMC expect to escape to the USA?

Who knows, hide until help comes? Or US does some stealth evacuation? Gonna be another operation paperclip.
 
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AndrewS

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CSIS and Boston Consulting report below on the Huawei Semiconductor war.

In the event of a full scale technology decoupling, US semiconductor market share drops from 44% to 30%.
In comparison, Chinese semiconductor market share jumps from 3% to 31%

In other words, the worse the China-US technology war gets, the faster China becomes the world's leading semiconductor manufacturer in the long-term.

Source below.

Huawei obsession will cause serious damage to US semiconductor industry: expert
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He said one consequence would be slower global sales and the US chip industry's gradual loss of dominance. He cited a Boston Consulting Group study as claiming a full decoupling with China would reduce the sector’s revenue by 37% and lower its global market share to 30%; by contrast, China’s market share would rise from 3% to 31%.

Added Kennedy: "And a weakened US chip industry cannot but hurt the rest of the country’s related sectors, including flagship companies and smaller suppliers as well as their employees. One might think that the US industry could prosper even more if it on-shored all of its manufacturing and locked Chinese competitors such as Huawei out of the West.

"But one industry insider told me the frank truth: 'The idea that we can decouple from China and our industry will still be successful is not tethered to reality'.”

Kennedy said it was possible to justify a smaller and less dominant US chip industry if crippling Huawei and the decoupling of the technology industry were both needed to protect the national security of the United States. But, he said, it would end up having a diametrically opposite effect.

"Most importantly, the United States’ military preparedness would suffer," Kennedy claimed. "Over the last few decades, federal funding has stagnated, but US industry has filled the gap and then some.

"Total semiconductor R&D by private firms in 2019 was almost US$40 billion, or nearly 20% of total sales. A less profitable US chip industry means fewer funds available for R&D, and less R&D translates into less progress in accelerating computing power and developing new applications, including for the US military and intelligence community.

"Conversely, as China fills some of the gaps created by the withdrawal of US firms from their industry, Beijing will have more resources available for their own civil- military fusion program."

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