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SanWenYu said:
It would be stupid for the Chinese companies to transfer their latest technologies to the Europeans. The westerners have taught the Chinese too many times the "proper" way of trading technologies for market access.
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i m sure, you knows very well.

All Technology and IP rights belongs to the Chinese state. any transfer/sale of technology must go through the process of Chinese state department.. just 2 days ago China announced to extend the list of ''Prohibited Technology'' to any foreign supplier.

nothing will be transfer to any company outside mainland china. so just chill
 
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SanWenYu

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sunnymaxi said:
i m sure, you knows very well.

All Technology and IP rights belongs to the Chinese state. any transfer/sale of technology must go through the process of Chinese state department.. just 2 days ago China announced to extend the list of ''Prohibited Technology'' to any foreign supplier.

nothing will be transfer to any company outside mainland china. so just chill
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Not all the IP rights are owned by the state. The export control is only a control. Like in all laws, there are always loopholes. And never underestimate the greed of capitalism.

"With adequate profit, capital is very bold. A certain 10 per cent. will ensure its employment anywhere; 20 per cent. certain will produce eagerness; 50 per cent., positive audacity; 100 per cent. will make it ready to trample on all human laws; 300 per cent., and there is not a crime at which it will scruple, nor a risk it will not run, even to the chance of its owner being hanged." -- Karl Marx.

That said, I am still thinking that tech transfer for market access can be a viable way to mitigate the trade imbalance, and the disputes stemmed from it. Fear of technologies being stolen is reasonable but should be calculated as an acceptable risk.
 
sunnymaxi

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SanWenYu said:
Not all the IP rights are owned by the state. The export control is only a control. Like in all laws, there are always loopholes. And never underestimate the greed of capitalism.

"With adequate profit, capital is very bold. A certain 10 per cent. will ensure its employment anywhere; 20 per cent. certain will produce eagerness; 50 per cent., positive audacity; 100 per cent. will make it ready to trample on all human laws; 300 per cent., and there is not a crime at which it will scruple, nor a risk it will not run, even to the chance of its owner being hanged." -- Karl Marx.

That said, I am still thinking that tech transfer for market access can be a viable way to mitigate the trade imbalance, and the disputes stemmed from it. Fear of technologies being stolen is reasonable but should be calculated as an acceptable risk.
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try to understand what i meant.. i know majority of tech and IP rights belongs to private Chinese companies but transfer of tech is a very serious National security issue.. Trade/Tech war and sanctions all over. we will not compromise on National security.

i m sure, Chinese companies itself knows the value of tech especially EV supply chain. so i m being serious here. nothing will transfer to any country.
 
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SanWenYu said:
Well I was responding to gadgetcool5. To me what he suggested only matters if the latest EV technologies are given to the Europeans.
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right, I think the companies need to be wise about what they are doing. If you look at BYD, they intentionally have not started to export DM5.0 tech abroad yet. The models they have in export market are just stuff they had in China a year ago. And in terms of factory they are setting up abroad, it is also not using the latest manufacturing and tooling in domestic factories. This basically solves two problems:
1) they are not showing off what their latest low cost manufacturing process looks like
2) they are hiring more local workers
 
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sunnymaxi said:
try to understand what i meant.. i know majority of tech and IP rights belongs to private Chinese companies but transfer of tech is a very serious National security issue.. Trade/Tech war and sanctions all over. we will not compromise on National security.

i m sure, Chinese companies itself knows the value of tech especially EV supply chain. so i m being serious here. nothing will transfer to any country.
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Keep in mind that most of us are outside of the process, so don't know what's actually valuable and what's not. For example, battery chemistry should be important, right? Well, you can have the right chemistry, but not have the expertise on how to properly manufacture with that or handle the materials well. And then mass production is a lot harder than just getting it to work in the lab. So, that's why I'm a lot more relaxed about transfer of technology than a lot of people.
the companies themselves know what's truly sensitive and they know what their competitive advantages are. The entire supply chain is in China. Getting the Europeans hooked to Chinese supply chain is not the worst thing in the world.
 
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I mean obviously China should be OK with sharing technology. To not share assumes China is weak and cannot innovate. The opposite is quite obviously true. Just look at America. They go on and on about how China needed their tech to grow. And had USA not gone insane in recent years, their people would still be living in the most advanced economy in the world. It's not the sharing that is collapsing America, it's the lack of it. Not that our discussions matter, and frankly the Chinese leaders are absolutely excited and ready for this.
 
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Changchun Institute of Optics and Fine Mechanics has made new breakthroughs in the field of thermal photonics​

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The Changchun Institute of Optics, Fine Mechanics and Physics of the Chinese Academy of Sciences that recently, the research team of Li Wei from the institute innovatively proposed an angle-asymmetric spectrally selective thermal emitter. It not only has the ability to efficiently reflect sunlight, but also can cleverly reduce the absorption of thermal radiation from the atmosphere and high-temperature ground, thereby achieving a cooling effect below ambient temperature.

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Europe is just to bureaucratic to get anything done, technology transfer or not, it will make no difference, Chinese companies had no trouble collaborating with European companies in any area, geely and volvo was somehow successful, also Nexperia and Wingtech, but at soon a Chinese company like CALT tries to make batteries in Europe they find out the bureaucratic environment is like 10X harder than in China plus the have to meet quotes plus subsidies that will never arrive. Just look AI, a barely new technology and is already being regulated out of existence in Europe. That fact that ASML still exist is itself a miracle probably because is a niche market and the technology is difficult. So even with "tech collaboration" for market access will not help Europe achieve EV supremacy and will not make life easier for Chinese companies wanting to manufacture in Europe. Maybe in Hungary.
 
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The researchers from Nanjing University and University of Science and Technology of China have pioneered a global first by completing a quantum key distribution (QKD) experiment based on a drone platform.

It demonstrated that mobile platforms like drones are capable of carrying out more practical quantum tasks that require the capability to directly transmit single photons to end-users.
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