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sunnymaxi

sunnymaxi

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FairAndUnbiased said:
No wonder they hate us.

700M RMB price down to 50M RMB price with equal quality.

Makes you think how much more of their so called "tech prowess" and "premium quality" is just markup.
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same thing happened with MR/CT scan machines ..

10 Million RMB per unit imported price reduced to 2-3 Million RMB per unit. when United Imaging Shanghai broke the foreign monopoly. now mainland have couple of companies in this field and producing all types of CT/MR scan machine..

Look what United Imaging Shanghai has achieved..

sunnymaxi said:
Take this news very serious.. this is first time a Chinese made High end CT scan machine installed in Europe..

Shanghai based ''United Imaging'' developed world's 1st Total-body PET/CT system With 40 times greater sensitivity than conventional devices, the machine can achieve full body imaging in 15s.. this machine installed in newly established Nuclear Medicine Department at a hospital in Rome, Italy.

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United imaging Shanghai send their team to Rome, Italy for help them to install entire system and train their staff as well..

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High end Medical equipment is another bread and Butter field of western powers for so long. but in recent years China not only break their monopoly but also started to export in overseas markets..

CT/MR scanning machines are very technological complex and require high precision to manufacture..
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taxiya

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CMP said:
This sounds too good to be true. Can you post some evidence showing that Microsoft's attempt to plunder China's human resources got shut down? I was not aware the local government could shut something like this down. Can't Microsoft just give those employees new job offers in the US with green card sponsorship? How can the Chinese government block those employees from simply flying to the US?
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I have nothing to support the claim, but I think there are many measures that government can do and they are doing to certain people already. An example is military scientists and engineers above a certain rank will not be allowed to travel abroad after they leave the military for certain number of years (declassification), this I know for a fact. Also people need to apply for a passport first, government knows their professional history and can (if they choose to) refuse to issue a passport. We know that there is regulations that deny passport such as people who has unfinished legal affairs. This is not unique to China but universal. Also moving one's property (cash from house selling for example) out of China need approval, so getting a passport and simply leave isn't an option.

The only thing that we don't know is if Chinese government would use these measures on Microsoft employees who are deemed highly valuable. But I would say why wouldn't they, afterall there is no difference between a weapon expert and AI expert who are all Chinese assests in the same way as Bydance's algrorithm, owned by state or private entity makes no difference.
 
Phead128

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FriedRiceNSpice said:
The purchasing power of salaries for senior level engineers (1M-2M RMB) at top Chinese tech firms is already several times greater than in US big tech. Most engineers in US big tech right now aren't even able to afford a home in the current market.
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Yep, can confirm. 2MRMB in China is living like King, but 2MRMB in US high cost US city feels (above) average, not that amazing. US cost of living really blunts a high annual salary.
 
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tokenanalyst

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PandaAI said:
Chinese companies are blocked from buying Western semiconductor companies but Western companies are free to buy Chinese biotechnology companies. This is unequal treaty level bullshit. Chinese government should demand that if they want to buy Chinese biotech firms, then China must be allowed to buy Western semiconductor firms.
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They are not to totally blocked, maybe US ones, Chinese companies have gotten REALLY good semiconductor, like really good deals in the last few years. Apart from that some Westerns semiconductor companies in order to avoid being left out of the lucrative Chinese are establishing themselves in China in some interesting ways.

What is happening is the Western companies are worry the a diversion of markets is bound to happen and they are establishing local supply chains that are mostly immune to US interference to keep themselves in China.
 
sunnymaxi

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chgough34 said:
A bit off topic but China is the substantially weaker party in these negotiations because China isn’t at the technological frontier and lacks the interrelated econ/tech/mil/political power to force its way through negotiations so China has concluded that unequal trade relationships are worth the cost of FDI is beneficial for multitudes of reasons (competition, deepened capital stock, access to foreign ideas, scale effects, equity capital, etc).
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without reading the actual story you concluded the conversation by saying this China is the substantially weaker party in these negotiations.. well this is not the case.

i m Quoting my older massage here for you. what's the story behind AstraZeneca acquired Chinese biomedical company.

read this and enhance your knowledge about China and our high tech industries..
sunnymaxi said:
SCMP will never tell you the complete story ...

AstraZeneca second Manufacturing and 5th Global R&D center opened in Shanghai this year. they have invested Billions of Dollars in mainland. and work autonomously in China.

''AstraZeneca has announced its fifth global strategic center in Shanghai, joining centers in Cambridge, UK, Boston and Gaithersburg in the US, and Gothenburg, Sweden''

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The acquisition of Gracell Biotechnologies by AstraZeneca is fine. there is stiff competition in mainland. they suffered loss so AZ bought this company. invest money , research and all Patents registered in mainland.
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Chinese made drugs are gaining popularity in the West. In 2023 the FDA approved three Chinese drugs, all used to treat various types of cancer. Really incredible development and is a testament to the skills and expertise of the Chinese pharma industry.

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A new breast, pancreatic, and lung cancer drug developed by Kexing Biopharm, a Chinese maker of recombinant protein medicines, has been given the green light to enter the European market.

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all deals have reviewed by the ministry of commerce then approved.. mainland have tons of companies in same category of medicine and drugs..
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@tokenanalyst ..
 
FairAndUnbiased

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PandaAI said:
Western governments have imposed all sorts of restrictions on Chinese companies buying any Western companies in critical sectors. Biotech is one of the 4 critical technologies along with AI, semiconductor, quantum computing where the US and EU have imposed bans and restrictions on Chinese companies. These 4 technologies are critical for the future. Read their national security documents.

China need all the domestic companies in the 4 technologies to be self-sufficient.


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biotech is not only not critical, most biotech research isn't replicable and is easy to fake or exaggerate. Less than half of papers are even qualitatively correct and even the papers that are qualitatively correct exaggerate their findings by 8x. Even many top scientists are questionable, but if they're a rich white guy, they will not be punished.

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Results from only five papers could be fully reproduced. Other replications yielded mixed results, and some were negative or inconclusive. Overall, only 46% of 112 reported experimental effects met at least three of five criteria for replication, such as a change in the same direction—increased cancer cell growth or tumor shrinkage, for example. Even more striking, the magnitude of the changes was usually much more modest, on average just 15% of the original effect, the project reports in a second eLife paper. “That has huge implications for the success of these things moving up the pipeline into the clinic. [Drug companies] want them to be big, strong, robust effects,” says Tim Errington, project leader at the COS.
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The president of Stanford University has resigned after an investigation opened by the board of trustees found several academic reports he authored contained manipulated data.

Marc Tessier-Lavigne, who has spent seven years as president, authored 12 reports that contained falsified information, including lab panels that had been stitched together, panel backgrounds that were digitally altered and blot results taken from other research papers.

Although Tesser-Lavigne is stepping down as president, effective Aug. 31, he will remain a Stanford faculty member and continue his research on brain development and neurodegeneration.
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Most advances in health and life expectancy is infrastructure, nutrition, primary care and emergency medicine. Japan had higher lifespan in 1985 than US today.

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So what these Chinese companies did is basically take US money and give basically some limited use IP in return. IP that is now in the public domain. Anyone can replicate that IP in an emergency if given the infrastructure, it isn't like a semiconductor fab. And buying a biotech startup is very different than buying an established big company; Chinese companies bought Omnivision which was crazy, I didn't expect that. But nobody is gonna ever buy SinoPharm.

Good job, take all their money.
 
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