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supercat

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China is close to 100% 5G coverage.

China's 5G network covers over 90 percent of villages​

China's 5G network now covers every city and town in the country, as well as more than 90 percent of its villages, data from the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology showed Friday.

China has established a globally leading information and communication network, featuring 3.84 million 5G base stations, which account for more than 60 percent of the global total, according to the ministry.
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jli88

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On a PPP basis, China's public budget for R&D is more than America's now. I think most of those who works for basic research in the US is foreign graduates.

PPP is not a good metric here. PPP calculation is done by using a basket of goods, for research that basket is extremely different:

  1. Loads of funding for research in science/tech would go in infrastructure and equipment. That is probably similarly priced (maybe even more expensive in some cases) in China. You can't buy top end GPUs using PPP right? Similar for a lot of other things.
  2. Top tier talent is globally mobile meaning that their salaries, while lower in China, wouldn't be as different as suggested by PPP.
  3. These numbers are intended for western audiences to push for more funding in US/west to counter China. It's deliberately playing up the Chinese figures.
 

AndrewS

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PPP is not a good metric here. PPP calculation is done by using a basket of goods, for research that basket is extremely different:

  1. Loads of funding for research in science/tech would go in infrastructure and equipment. That is probably similarly priced (maybe even more expensive in some cases) in China. You can't buy top end GPUs using PPP right? Similar for a lot of other things.
  2. Top tier talent is globally mobile meaning that their salaries, while lower in China, wouldn't be as different as suggested by PPP.
  3. These numbers are intended for western audiences to push for more funding in US/west to counter China. It's deliberately playing up the Chinese figures.

Take the Fraunhofer Institute, who are world leaders in terms of applied research.

If you look at their financials, they spend around 100K euro per person.
Average salary looks around 50K. Add then another 20% for indirect labour costs.

You can already see that a slight majority of all spending is on labour.

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On infrastructure and equipment, I would say that domestic Chinese equipment does have a significant overall advantage in terms of costs, when compared to elsewhere.

On the topic of AI, Macro Polo reports that in 2022, half of the world's top-tier AI researchers did their undergraduate degrees in China. We can expect this trend to continue in China's favour, given the AI frenzy in China, which is even more pronounced than in the US.

Many Chinese researchers work do not bother with leaving China, given the language and culture differences.
And of the Chinese researchers in the USA, given the hostile political climate, they will be subject to a glass ceiling. That will drive them back to China where they have better opportunities.

On AI hardware, we see an arms race, to build every larger Language Models. But I'm doubtful how useful this will be, because the results all depend on accuracy of the data and also the viewpoint fed into the models.

For example, a model trained on US data would support Israel, and omit the fact the successive Israeli governments and the Israeli Army over the past 50 years have supported what is now 700,000 Jewish colonists in trying to take the West Bank from the existing Palestinian inhabitants.

In comparison, models trained on data from the vast majority of countries in the world would take the viewpoint that Israel didn't exist a hundred years ago, and that Israel is a colonial construct that owes its existence to taking land from the existing Palestinian inhabitants, and which they continue doing even today.

So that leaves more specialised machine-leaning models, which do not require as many resources. Ideally, you want to create as small a model as practically possible, so that it is more cost-efficient (and commercially competitive) than a larger model.

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Top-tier talent is not globally mobile, because China is very different in terms of language and culture. It's a lot easier to move around if everyone uses English.
 

supercat

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WSJ: China spends more on fusion research than the US now.

China Outspends the U.S. on Fusion in the Race for Energy’s Holy Grail​

China wants to dominate commercial fusion, a long-dreamed-of clean energy source that is attracting new investment

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Good, those who work in the finance sector should not get top pay in China.

China’s tech boom powering AI career coup, with finance muscled out at top of salary pyramid​

  • China’s diversion of resources into science and tech has had downstream effects on salaries, with AI jobs leapfrogging finance as top earners
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Overbom

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WSJ: China spends more on fusion research than the US now.

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China has a lot of advantages in this:
Crews in China work in three shifts, essentially around the clock, to complete fusion projects.
And the Asian superpower has 10 times as many Ph.D.s in fusion science and engineering as the U.S.
JP Allain, who heads the Department of Energy’s Office of Fusion Energy Sciences, said China is spending around $1.5 billion a year on fusion, nearly twice the U.S. government’s fusion budget.
That's $1.5 billion nominal, make it PPP, and that's a lot more

What’s more, China appears to be following a program similar to the road map that hundreds of U.S. fusion scientists and engineers first published in 2020 in hopes of making commercial fusion energy.
They’re building our long-range plan,” Allain said. “That’s very frustrating, as you can imagine.”
Sour grapes.
So China is (as usual) actually following a long-range plan while the US just talks about it (as usual)

Though a scientific breakthrough on fusion could benefit all of humanity, some in the U.S. fear it would give China a leg up in a growing competition over energy resources as the U.S. and others try to shift more production and supply chains within domestic borders.
China's real strength is in scaling. Even if China was a bit slow in R&D, when it would go for scaling, fusion energy plants would be built in sausage-mode in the entire country which would completely power up Chinese industries, R&D and national comprehensive strength. It would a be a complete and utter rocket boost for China's capabilities
 

ansy1968

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China has a lot of advantages in this:



That's $1.5 billion nominal, make it PPP, and that's a lot more



Sour grapes.
So China is (as usual) actually following a long-range plan while the US just talks about it (as usual)


China's real strength is in scaling. Even if China was a bit slow in R&D, when it would go for scaling, fusion energy plants would be built in sausage-mode in the entire country which would completely power up Chinese industries, R&D and national comprehensive strength. It would a be a complete and utter rocket boost for China's capabilities
As they always say bro, behind every Chinese success is a White man.
 

supercat

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China's deep-sea heavy-duty mining vehicle has completed a sea trial at a depth exceeding 4,000 meters
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China's Ministry of Science and Technology has published ethical guidelines to regulate human genome editing research and promote its healthy development.
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Researchers from Zhejiang University have developed 3D printable elastomers with exceptional strength and toughness, according to a study published in the journal Nature.
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Chief scientist of China's FAST telescope awarded Marcel Grossmann Award
The Marcel Grossmann Award, established in 1985 and presented every three years, is considered one of the most prestigious international awards in physics.
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