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ZeEa5KPul

Colonel
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China is clearly not doing well in the A.I race, you got industry veterans admitting it, you can sit there and pretend everything is okay, or think of ways to solve it.
What do you mean "think of ways to solve it"? Do you think government officials or corporate executives read this forum? Do you think you're some kind of consultant?

...are you going to write letters to Ren Zhengfei again?
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
What are your thoughts on machine vision?

Guess you don't have any because it's not in the news.
There’s lots of research going into using Neural Nets for machine control law algorithms right now that will matter a whole lot more for industrial applications than stuff like ChatGPT, but because it’s not consumer facing it gets no attention. Yet that stuff is going to be way more important examples of AI applications than a textbot that regurgitates text libraries from the collective history of the internet. There’s definitely utility in what ChatGPT does but what it means for AI development is being way oversold. It’s a very impressive tool for certain knowledge access use cases. It’s not going to turn into Skynet in the next five years.
 

9dashline

Captain
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Oh and it's not like LLM are the only A.I model that China missed the mark on. There's text to A.I, A.I voice generation, text to video, Aphlafold etc etc.

Healthcare. Isn't that worse? I remember back in 2020, hearing about GTP-3 and all it can do, and thinking "Oh wow, this will be big" and all the promises that OpenA.I was making about GTP-4. PaLM was pretty impressive too. So why did it take until ChatGTP, for chinese A.I researchers to finally wake up and actually start racing? Since ChatGTP, there have been so much activity, not just in the Chinese A.I sector, but chinese companies in other fields asking A.I companies for A.I solutions. This activity should have been there since GTP-2 or one of it's copycats.

This is like the space race, but the Americans only became panicked after the soviets send Yuri Gagarin into space and dismissed Sputnik as an useless trinket that didn't do much more than bleep, which is true, but clearly Sputnik was just the first signs of something greater to come.

Go ahead and be complacent. If China's A.I sector actually reacted to GTP-2 or GTP-3 the same way they reacted to ChatGTP China wouldn't be in this position today.

Or maybe they shouldn't have waited until America dropped a nuke(ChatGTP) on them before starting serious development of LLMs?

Japanese is still more popular to learn than mandarin. And no kidding, when asked, people always give the reasoning of "I want to read more obscure manga/hentai or watch anime better"

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And this "intent" is used to churn out a thousand times more "CHINA BAD" new articles and youtube videos. It works.

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Tell that to the largely popular A.I girlfriends apps that's already fucking with young lonely men. Or the thousands of "CHINA BAD" youtube videos that gain millions of views.

Better than pretending that everything is going to be okay and China has already won. Again, the results speak for themselves here. China is clearly not doing well in the A.I race, you got industry veterans admitting it, you can sit there and pretend everything is okay, or think of ways to solve it.
Remember when Google's Deepmind was supposed to solve AGI and take over the world? And what happened? Jack Squat happened after their one trick pony show of AlphaGo and now Google had to issue a code red after it got caught with pants down when M$ft pushed OpenAI to go out of the gate with ChatGPT...

ChatGPT is nothing special, even OpenAI CEO admitted its just a clever parlor trick at this point... And the underlining GPT model its based off of has existed for a while now, its just that unlike IBM Watson that won at Jeopoardy or Google's AlphaGo bot, this was the first time something like this was made freely available to the masses to test and play around with...

But now research is being made on how to run mini versions of it locally, without cloud or supercomputers, see:
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Not sure where, why or how you think this chatbot crap makes US ahead of China in AI

We are nowhere close to AGI or singularity


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If China's A.I sector actually reacted to GTP-2

Stop trolling::

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and that so called text to graphics thing you were talking about? Its open source, model and all, and runs on a single computer with medium gpu

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Same for text to voice, including Chinese audio models

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None of this stuff is "EUV" level of hard... Im already running all this on my rtx4090 gaming pc
 
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Faustshadowdancer

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FWIW, I work in the business services sector, and I've noticed ChatGPT has really streamlined some of my colleagues' work and made them much more efficient (Nowhere near taking my job though :D). It's going to see a LOT of use in services but I'm not to sure about everywhere else. I think ChatGPT gets a lot of attention because it's consumer-facing with obvious applications. It also definitely gets a lot of training it because of how far-reaching English is.
 

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
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FWIW, I work in the business services sector, and I've noticed ChatGPT has really streamlined some of my colleagues' work and made them much more efficient (Nowhere near taking my job though :D). It's going to see a LOT of use in services but I'm not to sure about everywhere else. I think ChatGPT gets a lot of attention because it's consumer-facing with obvious applications. It also definitely gets a lot of training it because of how far-reaching English is.
I tried telling ChatGPT to write a business/RD proposal. It came out with something plausible looking that I could revise.

Turns out I revised every word by the end.
 

tacoburger

Junior Member
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More China BAD content isn’t going to change the persuasiveness of China BAD content. This space is already saturated. Quantity isn’t what makes this sort of content work, no more than running more ads makes people want to buy a product more than they already want or don’t want to.
What are you talking about? The issue is quality here. GTP-4 already talks like a literature professor and can provide sources, a vast step up from a braindead youtuber script who has trouble with basic english.

Oh so it’s a glorified information terminal. I don’t see how that’s going to turn the US into a cyberpunk utopia or leave China in the dust of history.
What an underestimation of the potential uses.

What do you mean "think of ways to solve it"? Do you think government officials or corporate executives read this forum? Do you think you're some kind of consultant?

...or are you going to write letters to Ren Zhengfei again?
??? Better than pretending that everything is fine. It's not like some people here don't work in A.I sectors or related industries that can give some feedback. Otherwise, what the point of this entire forum?
That sort of AI mostly just sounds like a substitute for porn. If the future is sexbots how are you so sure that this kind of AI won’t just turn society towards unproductive degeneracy.
Moving the goalposts? You were the one that said that A.I can't form human relationships. And this is for manipulating people. That's the whole point. One day your A.I GF is just sex-texting you, then one day she's asking you to buy more Apple products, than she's dropping hints that all chinese products are spywares, that you should work out more, that you should join the army etc etc. Imagine facebook, reddit discord, but with an army of bots subtly just dropping subliminal messages everywhere, and you can't tell if they're real or bots. Hell, with A.I text to voice, an A.I can legit just talk to you in a real human's voice.
If you can’t distinguish between what’s useful innovation and what’s technological wanking you’re just playing the role of blind spectator.
So you really think that LLMs are useless or the array of media generation models are useless? Fine. Time will prove me right in the end. Let's see GTP-4 and other media generation model change the digital landscape while China is once again left in the dust.

What are your thoughts on machine vision?

Guess you don't have any because it's not in the news.
Probably because they're not as useful?
Not sure where or how you think this chatbot crap makes US ahead of China in AI

We are nowhere close to AGI or singularity
One reason is that it exposes just shortsighted Chinese A.I sector is. This is the most important technology in a century and they choose to flip their shit over ChatGTP? Why not GTP-2? Or GTP-3? Or PaLM? I was flipping my shit over GTP-3 when it came out 2 years ago, but the chinese A.I sector didn't raise nearly as much fuss as they did over ChatGTP. Funny how the only LLM to gain mainstream attention was the only LLM that finally kicked the Chinese A.I sector into high gear. It's doesn't bode well when your top A.I researchers seem to be blind to the progress in their field of study and has to rely on MSM to decide what projects to invest in.

If we had seen ChatGTP level of interest and activity over GTP-3 or GTP-2, then maybe Chinese A.I sector would have been the first to release a ChatGTP-tier product, instead of currently, where more than a dozen companies and labs are scrambling to catch up.
 

9dashline

Captain
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I was flipping my shit over GTP-3 when it cam
You seem to be flipping your shit over a lot of stuff... go back and reread my post where I already refuted your misplaced concerns. Instead right now you seem to be intentionally ignoring what I posted, then double down on your factually wrong statements, then flip out about flipping out...
 
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