Are the any Indian semiconductor companies, if they are really that good? China is way ahead in most technologies, as many Chinese experts have returned to China.
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There are way more smart Indians in India, than in the US. They still managed to mess up their own country.
antiterror13
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Wellll, where would you get 5M high quality talents in 5 years? 1M a year ? but possible in China, anywhere else, just simply impossible
First point is definitely true. East Asians, especially first generation immigrants, keep their heads down, do a good job, and try not cause any trouble. Indians have better English skills, sometimes better soft skills. It does help in corporate setting, and it is skills first generation Chinese immigrants can learn from.
manqiangrexue
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It's not related to any technical or managerial skill as Chinese companies are far superior on average to Indian companies. It's a few factors:
1. Indians have been colonized by the British so not only do they have better English command, they are culturally more Western, behave more Western, and often even have Caucasian blood in them. After all, in India, light skin is a requirement for high rank, or caste or whatever.
2. Indians like to loudmouth and brag, and in the West, that works. People believe your bullcrap when you do a presentation. Chinese people like to do low key excellent work and when presenting, give the key factual points thinking that the audience is smart enough to deduce from them all the work he did and its brilliance. Indians and Westerners like to embellish every detail as if it was such a terrible issue that they managed to overcome through their skill and genius while Chinese people think that the failures and how they were overcome, especially if they were not very challenging, are back-of-the-house stuff that isn't part of a presentaton. But I see a trend of this changing and Chinese people becoming bigger braggarts and less conserved. I don't know if this is good or not...
Side-story: I remember this instance when a Chinese guy and a white girl were presenting thier progress reports in lab. The Chinese guy simply said, "I did 8 pyrosequencing runs; all of the data is shown here and there were no issues." The white girl said, "I had 3 runs completed, 2 runs started but there were some issues, 2 runs are still running. This data here, we saw blah blah. We deduced that that couldn't be so after a thorough literature review, we made these corrections. They are scheduled to begin tomorrow and the day after. The lessons learned were blah blah blah. Then I did the data analysis and found blah blah. It took a really long time but then I figured I have to do it this way..." Everything she said is a normal part of doing a run and if there were issues, looking it up. In the end, the Chinese guy was not memorable and the white girl looked like she had such a busy streak of learning and progress when the actual summary should have been, "The Chinese guy did 8 runs successfully; the white girl did 5 runs, fucked 2 of them up, costing the lab money." And no, she was not his junior or a new hire.
3. Indians are not threatening to America because India as a country is far behind and not moving to catch up. With Chinese people, there is the concern that this guy, even if he doesn't do anything illegal to benefit China or his friends in China at the technological expense of this company, that he may resign eventually and be take his expertise and experience to a Chinese rival in a totally legal manner.
It has nothing to do with any of what you are talking about.
The difference is simply the facial structure. Indian faces are biologically more similar to white faces than Chinese faces. Studies have shown that Europeans have an easier time reading South Asian facial expressions than East Asian facial expressions.
Because white people can more easily read Indian faces, they think that South Asians communicate better and have better "leadership" skills. They find it harder to read Chinese faces, so they think that East Asians are "emotionless." Therefore they promote Indians more than Chinese. Nothing more to it than that.
The difference is simply the facial structure. Indian faces are biologically more similar to white faces than Chinese faces. Studies have shown that Europeans have an easier time reading South Asian facial expressions than East Asian facial expressions.
Because white people can more easily read Indian faces, they think that South Asians communicate better and have better "leadership" skills. They find it harder to read Chinese faces, so they think that East Asians are "emotionless." Therefore they promote Indians more than Chinese. Nothing more to it than that.
By the way, I have had similar experiences with continental Europeans - albeit from the opposite angle.
Having been raised in the Anglo world, I of course can easily read Anglo white faces. However, there was a time when I interacted for several months with many continental Europeans. I found it very difficult to understand their emotions and what they were really thinking. They always seemed very calm and collected; they spoke English plainly and without emotions. But they would actually have very strong feelings behind them, which I always found difficult to gauge.
For instance, I remember interacting with an Austrian multiple times. I would accidentally say something that made him angry. However, to me his face was very calm and collected, without emotions. I wouldn't realize that he was actually quite upset until he started speaking in great anger. I made this mistake at least twice.
So I think it is simply harder for Europeans to read East Asian facial expressions, and vice versa. Which is why it is harder for both to get promoted to leadership positions as ethnic minorities in European/East Asian dominant societies.
Having been raised in the Anglo world, I of course can easily read Anglo white faces. However, there was a time when I interacted for several months with many continental Europeans. I found it very difficult to understand their emotions and what they were really thinking. They always seemed very calm and collected; they spoke English plainly and without emotions. But they would actually have very strong feelings behind them, which I always found difficult to gauge.
For instance, I remember interacting with an Austrian multiple times. I would accidentally say something that made him angry. However, to me his face was very calm and collected, without emotions. I wouldn't realize that he was actually quite upset until he started speaking in great anger. I made this mistake at least twice.
So I think it is simply harder for Europeans to read East Asian facial expressions, and vice versa. Which is why it is harder for both to get promoted to leadership positions as ethnic minorities in European/East Asian dominant societies.
They are in management. It's pretty well known that a glass/ bamboo ceiling exists for East Asians in the technology sector in US. Asians (Chinese especially) contribute a lot to R&D. It helps that geopolitically, India is either neutral or aligned with US. Also, as @FairAndUnbiased says, Indians have not created these companies.
Anyway, Indians in US are US's own concern. US ( as in the silent majority) does not welcome them with extended arms like they welcome Europeans. It clashes with its evolving political and ideological realities ( that resists foreign cultures, races and immigration). I've seen vitriol spread against Indians from some sections of US and aside from the most PC and melting pot regions, no respect is given. I'm pretty sure Indian lurkers here would realize that. In US, Indians, like many other, are hyphenated.
@ZeEa5KPul Although he hasn't given a source, I have read that Indians indeed make up more than 30 percent of top management. Though, i don't think why one ought to be too glad about that. These people have become Americans in all but their national origin. It's like going about bragging about Zaha Hadid and her iraqi heritage ( many Iraqis do that under videos of her designs) despite her being British. China must focus on the 'sea turtles' campaign to attract back foreign chinese students and bolster the rejuvenation.