New Type98/99 MBT thread

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2009-12-09 08:43:32 Shuzhong OK CDC Forum 【Large In Small】 Comments




OnBack to the bookSpeaking of a chief straightforward and suggest that China ranked the world's top 99 tanks, the top three comprehensive combat capability first, and some user said not believe it, 99 tanks and missile attacks actually are not afraid of people, we should not fight a real bomb to try?

In fact, 99 has long been done before in the equipment againstTankMissile attack tests, video on the screen are heavy users even said Red Arrow 9 anti-tank missile attacks, 99 tanks, the results were ablaze and vanish after 99 emerged unscathed, turret and the body without the slightest damage, only the destroyed turret around some of its subsidiary observation equipment . Video evident from this sectionTotal divisionTelling the truth, 99 protective ability is definitely first class!

I got some free time, so let me translate the above.

In previous episode, the commander suggested that T99 ranked among top 3 in the world and first in its amour+fire power combination. Some people said that is unbelievable , how could T99 stand being hit by anti-tank missile, should there not be a real test using live missile?

T99 had actually been tested being hit by anti-tank missile. In the video, HJ-9 (Red Arrow 9) anti-tank missile was fired at a T99. After the flash and smoke dispersed, T99 was found unharmed with no damage to its turret and chasis. The blast only knock off some attached observation equipment. This video prove that the commander was right that T99's protection is first class.
 

rhino123

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I got some free time, so let me translate the above.

In previous episode, the commander suggested that T99 ranked among top 3 in the world and first in its amour+fire power combination. Some people said that is unbelievable , how could T99 stand being hit by anti-tank missile, should there not be a real test using live missile?

T99 had actually been tested being hit by anti-tank missile. In the video, HJ-9 (Red Arrow 9) anti-tank missile was fired at a T99. After the flash and smoke dispersed, T99 was found unharmed with no damage to its turret and chasis. The blast only knock off some attached observation equipment. This video prove that the commander was right that T99's protection is first class.

Has HJ-9 been used against any other MBT that T99 is comparing to? When we actually do a test, the first thing is to get as much data as possible using as many different tools as possible. Also how many times had the T99 been hit and where do the missile actually aimed at?

In designing for a test to show the strenght of T99 as compare to other MBT, missile (in this case HJ-9) should be fired at the same spot or roughly the same spot for all these MBT across the line. This would roughly give us an idea of the armour strenght of the T99 in that area that are being hit. Thus it would take quite a number of hit across different location and most probably it would also means that a number of T99 as well as competition's MBT must be use for the test.

Then other type of anti-tank missiles from other nations must be used for the test.

Thus I would say that just by hitting T99 with a HJ9 is not an indicative test to show its strenght and weakness.

Also the T99 had not been use in any real battles and had only undergo simulated test up to this point, so how could it be said to be top 3 when everything that we know is base on paper spec? Until it had been used in battle and against other tanks, then we could say the ranking of the tank.
 
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challenge

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carousel auto loader are highly vulnerable of brewing up,from T-72 first combat debut in Zultan Yakov in lebanon to operation iraq freedom,all same stories,.
According to steven zaloga,total ammunition for T-72/80 is 440 kg.(220kg for T-55/54) ay hit from any angle are bound to erupt.no matter how thick was armour,it basically has no chance of stopping against high performance kinetic round.
already newer version of russian tank(or ukraine)like black hawk,T-55AGM,T-55M6,T-84/120 already abandone carousel auto loader in favor of bustle .
 

RedMercury

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Thus I would say that just by hitting T99 with a HJ9 is not an indicative test to show its strenght and weakness.


There was a video of a similar test which surfaced many years ago. Those photos may just be stills from that test. I believe the consensus was the missile was a HJ-8 and whether the armor was penetrated was unclear.

As for comparisons against other threats, they have tested against domestic kinetic rounds and probably other HEAT rounds at their disposal, but the publication of this demo is just to show off (assuming it succeed), since the RHA performance of the HJ-9 warhead is not shabby at all, if it was an HJ-9.

Also the T99 had not been use in any real battles and had only undergo simulated test up to this point, so how could it be said to be top 3 when everything that we know is base on paper spec? Until it had been used in battle and against other tanks, then we could say the ranking of the tank.
Then again, the other two tanks it has been compared to do not have combat experience against modern tanks either. Kicking around 30 year old monkey models doesn't really show anything.
 

rhino123

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Then again, the other two tanks it has been compared to do not have combat experience against modern tanks either. Kicking around 30 year old monkey models doesn't really show anything.

That is why we do not rank tanks... it simply is pointless to claim that we have top three tanks... the best tanks on Earth or whatsoever, all these are only good as marketing gimicks so as to sell the tank.

Unless the said tanks are pit against each other... then we know which tanks are better... however even that are indicative... the result is not really accurate... because we cannot just compare the tanks... we should compare the package whereby a tank is just part of the package... and within this package is - the crew, the tactics, the overall information relay, etc.
 

maozedong

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chief engineer of type 99 tank Zu Yusheng interview in CCTV.
type 99 is China only one issued by the State Council and Central Military Commission, direct the mission to develop key projects of the Army equipment.
type 99 in 1984 to formalize the project, when China's second-generation tank design has not yet finalized, while the foreign MI / Leopard II/T72/T80 have had stereotypes and deploy operation.Ahead of the second generation than that of China, in terms of the technology itself, when the Chinese in the design level, the original parts, big parts, the technical reserve, laboratory testing capacity, etc., and in foreign countries, the gap between several tens years.
It was in this circumstances, Zhu Yusheng been repeatedly invited to serve as chief engineer of the project development of 99 tanks.Zhu Yusheng has been a long time serving in the military academies, he through academic channels of communication, a comprehensive understanding of the foreign army's equipment development, in determining the 99 tanks The design idea, it draws extensively on foreign tanks and advanced technology.
His tank design, using high priority to the idea of an integrated system, if every - parts in comparison with foreign countries, many parts are not as foreign countries, he and his design team, for each tank system organization, use of advanced technology sooner than the opponent , In the tank firepower, and strive to technology, ahead of the competition.
They designed a system to suppress and observation, it would be installed in the sight inside, with the fire and move, the enemy can not see themselves, and they can see the enemy, so they can attack the enemy, while the enemy can not attack themselves.
type 99 tank profile is lower and flat,400mm lower than leopard II.200mm lower than M1,This form of high survival rates, reduce the opportunity for the other shells hit, but this design is not easy, to consider how to place components,the US wants M1 gets lower but its can't, becaurse its engine and transmission is higher.
Zu Yusheng lets tank body shape on the use of a modular guitar Citrus medica, many replacement parts can be demolished, not only lose weight, but also left room for upgrading.
Because of restrictions by the level of engine technology, mobility has become a relatively weak link in 99 tank, Zu Yusheng had other ways to make up the shortcomings in this regard.
 

pla101prc

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lol i dont know, if the engineer, who knows the tank better than we all do, is saying that t-99 is as good as any other tank...then even if it isnt its not that far off. some of you guys who are saying all this stuff show that they arent even in the same league, please think before you talk.
 

Lion

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lol i dont know, if the engineer, who knows the tank better than we all do, is saying that t-99 is as good as any other tank...then even if it isnt its not that far off. some of you guys who are saying all this stuff show that they arent even in the same league, please think before you talk.

Yup! Funny some guy keep sprouting how lousy T-80 , T-72 is but here we are in Type98/99 thread.

Having an autoloader and using a 125mm smoothbore gun doesn't automatically link Type99 tank as Russian T-72 series.

Now the designer speaks up and when he mention Type 99 gun surpass 120mm western gun and some guy immediately claimed he is sprouting rubbish and seems to know type 99 tank more than the designer as if they design the tank themselves.

Who knows the tank best? And who is the best person to talk about Type 99 tank? Answer- The designer. And yet you people keep doubting his words.
Must be some western ego at work. :confused:

10 years ago, someone mention China will replace USA as number 1 econ powerhouse in 30 years time. People laugh at it. Now someone mention this again. Nobody dare to doubt it anymore! Got it?
 
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challenge

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Yup! Funny some guy keep sprouting how lousy T-80 , T-72 is but here we are in Type98/99 thread.

Having an autoloader and using a 125mm smoothbore gun doesn't automatically link Type99 tank as Russian T-72 series.

Now the designer speaks up and when he mention Type 99 gun surpass 120mm western gun and some guy immediately claimed he is sprouting rubbish and seems to know type 99 tank more than the designer as if they design the tank themselves.

Who knows the tank best? And who is the best person to talk about Type 99 tank? Answer- The designer. And yet you people keep doubting his words.
Must be some western ego at work. :confused:

10 years ago, someone mention China will replace USA as number 1 econ powerhouse in 30 years time. People laugh at it. Now someone mention this again. Nobody dare to doubt it anymore! Got it?

quality of Chinese gun tube is big question,lately,China ask Giat of france and rheinmetal of germany for technical assisstant.this come after accident test
firing of experimental 140mm tank gun.
 

rhino123

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Yup! Funny some guy keep sprouting how lousy T-80 , T-72 is but here we are in Type98/99 thread.

Having an autoloader and using a 125mm smoothbore gun doesn't automatically link Type99 tank as Russian T-72 series.

Now the designer speaks up and when he mention Type 99 gun surpass 120mm western gun and some guy immediately claimed he is sprouting rubbish and seems to know type 99 tank more than the designer as if they design the tank themselves.

Who knows the tank best? And who is the best person to talk about Type 99 tank? Answer- The designer. And yet you people keep doubting his words.
Must be some western ego at work. :confused:

10 years ago, someone mention China will replace USA as number 1 econ powerhouse in 30 years time. People laugh at it. Now someone mention this again. Nobody dare to doubt it anymore! Got it?

What u say is correct, and I think no one know the tank better than its designer... however that speak truth for both the western designers and the chinese designers.

When the chinese designer said that theirs guns are better than their western counterpart, who is to say that the western designer would not say the same thing. I am not doubting the words of the chinese designer or their capability but do they have assess to the western design to make this claim?

Like I say in my previous post, I believe that the only way that we can actually find out for sure is that they conduct test... and by doing test, I mean to fire the cannons at the same type armour in a controlled environment and see the penetration and stuff like that. Or else everything will be just paper spec.

But I do agree with u on the Russian's autoloader thingy... and is wondering why people keep bringing out the autoloader thingy, when it is clear that the chinese autoloader is different from the russian's one.
 
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