New Type98/99 MBT thread

williamhou

Junior Member
Around 54 to 55, heading to 60 with more upgrades, its certainly heavier than the T-72/T-90 series.

Japan has a 65 ton tank. Figure out why they're suddenly coming out with a 44 ton one.

Weight is not everything.



For some countries the main threat is changing and they require troops that are can move quickly. With its geographical location as a island country and its very strong Navy and Air Force and a policy not to deploy troops in other countries as limited by the treaty, I do feel the Type 90 is waste for them, a lighter one is enough to defend their main island and deter attacks in current political climate. With a goal to quickly deploy troops anywhere in the world, US is also exploring lighter tanks for their fast-response units against new threats, however heavy MBT like M1A2 are still very useful and they will add more TUSK upgrades to protect them better in urban environment. The current objective of PLAN is not to project power though, and it has so many land borders and disputes with other countries.

It is clear how easy to destory MBTs like T-72 with any modern anti-tank weapons, NATO KE rounds can easily double pentrate T-72 and in one case one KE round destoryed two T-72 in a line. M1A2, Lepord 2 A6, Type 90, Challenger 2, Merkava Mark IV are all great tanks that can protect themselves very well and destory enemy tanks. I think PLA needs a tank that can counter the attack of these tanks and withstand their 120mm KE rounds in long distance since PLA does not have air superiority against its potential opponents. Type 99's armor is not bad ATM and still have room for adding extra armor upgrades, however the main issue is the majority of tanks in PLA are just too vulnerable
 

PrOeLiTeZ

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For some countries the main threat is changing and they require troops that are can move quickly. With its geographical location as a island country and its very strong Navy and Air Force and a policy not to deploy troops in other countries as limited by the treaty, I do feel the Type 90 is waste for them, a lighter one is enough to defend their main island and deter attacks in current political climate. With a goal to quickly deploy troops anywhere in the world, US is also exploring lighter tanks for their fast-response units against new threats, however heavy MBT like M1A2 are still very useful and they will add more TUSK upgrades to protect them better in urban environment. The current objective of PLAN is not to project power though, and it has so many land borders and disputes with other countries.

It is clear how easy to destory MBTs like T-72 with any modern anti-tank weapons, NATO KE rounds can easily double pentrate T-72 and in one case one KE round destoryed two T-72 in a line. M1A2, Lepord 2 A6, Type 90, Challenger 2, Merkava Mark IV are all great tanks that can protect themselves very well and destory enemy tanks. I think PLA needs a tank that can counter the attack of these tanks and withstand their 120mm KE rounds in long distance since PLA does not have air superiority against its potential opponents. Type 99's armor is not bad ATM and still have room for adding extra armor upgrades, however the main issue is the majority of tanks in PLA are just too vulnerable
well their doing not to bad in the 1990's they had mostly basically all obsolete MBT, and decade later they have 30% of their MBT being modern standard. With the rest being upgraded with modern weapons, but you can only do so much with an old design tank.
 

crobato

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Just being curious, with the mods power, can't you edit his "Location"? I think he probably seldom be online, 'coz with 8 months joining the forum, he has only 14 posts.

I've tried that but it does not appear the software would let me save the changes.
 

crobato

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For some countries the main threat is changing and they require troops that are can move quickly. With its geographical location as a island country and its very strong Navy and Air Force and a policy not to deploy troops in other countries as limited by the treaty, I do feel the Type 90 is waste for them, a lighter one is enough to defend their main island and deter attacks in current political climate. With a goal to quickly deploy troops anywhere in the world, US is also exploring lighter tanks for their fast-response units against new threats, however heavy MBT like M1A2 are still very useful and they will add more TUSK upgrades to protect them better in urban environment. The current objective of PLAN is not to project power though, and it has so many land borders and disputes with other countries.

It is clear how easy to destory MBTs like T-72 with any modern anti-tank weapons, NATO KE rounds can easily double pentrate T-72 and in one case one KE round destoryed two T-72 in a line. M1A2, Lepord 2 A6, Type 90, Challenger 2, Merkava Mark IV are all great tanks that can protect themselves very well and destory enemy tanks. I think PLA needs a tank that can counter the attack of these tanks and withstand their 120mm KE rounds in long distance since PLA does not have air superiority against its potential opponents. Type 99's armor is not bad ATM and still have room for adding extra armor upgrades, however the main issue is the majority of tanks in PLA are just too vulnerable

The T-72s in Iraq don't have ERA, and many of them are export models produced in a factory in Iraq. Having said that, it appears this factory is making tanks again and the new Iraqi Army are equipping them once again. However, these tanks, old and new, don't have ERA packages.

In the Georgian war, the T-72s on both sides are equipped with ERA but apparently are still able to kill each other.

William, I don't think you need to defend yourself from tanks that takes a huge bit of trouble to get to the mainland and are mainly meant to defend their own homelands. If these tanks reach the Asian proper, the terrain makes it very inconvenient. Roads are too small, too narrow, and too weak to hold something over 60 tons, and the same can be said on the bridges. The countryside is full of rice paddies that will only make tanks sink. A lot of China are mountains and hills, and if you notice, the divisions prefer to mount the old, and still fairly light upgraded T-59s on them.

China's most likely tank opponent is still likely a upgraded T-72 or T-90---not the Japanese one, the Russian one. I think a ZTZ-99G or even a 96 or 96G would hold pretty well against a T-90 or improved T-72. The divisions getting the most modern tanks are those facing the north, not the east side, where the deserts make it convenient for massed cavalry tank warfare. That makes your most likely opponent the Russians or a former Soviet state. Having said that, current relations with the Russians are rosy, so there is not much of a political incentive to spend upgrading tanks. Your priorities should be in the planes and ships instead.
 

RedMercury

Junior Member
Exactly. Plus, the irony is that the Russians provided much of the technology basis for the current batch of new tanks. So really, there is little threat. Maybe a contingency for a crisis in NK, but that terrain is terribly ill-suited for mass tank warfare.

From the small numbers of ZTZ-99* inducted, it can be inferred that it is a low priority acquisition item. Heck, too many of these armored divisions might undermine relations with Moscow (remember all those fantasy theories of China taking Siberia's oil fields by force, the point is certainly not lost to the Russians, at least during their lean years). The upgrade and R&D programs are being kept alive so that they domestic tank manufacturing capability doesn't fall too far behind the international norm, just in case China's geopolitical circumstances change in the future. PLA tank watching is just not that exciting, pitty.
 

crobato

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Exactly. Plus, the irony is that the Russians provided much of the technology basis for the current batch of new tanks. So really, there is little threat. Maybe a contingency for a crisis in NK, but that terrain is terribly ill-suited for mass tank warfare.

From the small numbers of ZTZ-99* inducted, it can be inferred that it is a low priority acquisition item. Heck, too many of these armored divisions might undermine relations with Moscow (remember all those fantasy theories of China taking Siberia's oil fields by force, the point is certainly not lost to the Russians, at least during their lean years).

Yeah it sure does.

It reminds me of games like Tom Clancy's Force 17, where you have the PLA overrunning Central Asia. The Russians would feel the least threatened if the PLA modernization is most visible in the naval sector.

The upgrade and R&D programs are being kept alive so that they domestic tank manufacturing capability doesn't fall too far behind the international norm, just in case China's geopolitical circumstances change in the future. PLA tank watching is just not that exciting, pitty.

Yeah, we can tell from the hit count on the land forums its not something to boast about.
 

adeptitus

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Type 99 is probably one of the lightest MBT in the world..they should add more armor

At 54 tons, it's about mid-range in modern MBT weight.

Besides terrain and infrastructure issues, the PLA cannot spend as much per tank as their western counterparts. You're supporting a larger army on a tighter budget.
 
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