New Type98/99 MBT thread

[nemo]

Norfolk:
Have you actually read the article, in Chinese? The context clearly state the 25% accuracy figure refer to the barrel/gun, not the whole system.

If you believe the effective range of the Type 98/99 is only 2300m, so be it. I am not conviced, certainly not by your argument, which I think is logically deficient because you have not established why T-72's deficiency will be present in Type 98/99.

The truth is that it's hard to find true specification of ANY military hardware, and PLA never publish any on their equipment currently in service. Internet sources are notoriously unreliable, including ones you used. Hence you have to use your own judgement to decide whether the source is plausible or not.

 

[RedMercury]

25% increase in accuracy does not mean 25% increase in effective range. The two things are different. You will need a model of how accuracy relates to range. It is not obvious that it is a simple linear relationship. So far you have not provided that, instead, you have provided pages upon pages of obfuscation.

I am not claiming anything here. I don't know what the effective range of the ZPT-98 is. I could be 2250 meters, but I'm not claiming that. You are the one who did the original claim. Therefore the burden of proof is on you. I'm just here to make sure you don't throw stuff out and get away with it without having a base in reality.

 

[challenge]

4KM effective range still beats 3.1ish range. Also, perhaps the ATGM offers better penetration vs ERA due to tandem warhead. Llaser-beam riding would make it more accurate. Finally ATGM's can be used to engage attack helicopters. Thats clearly a capability of the Type 99 based on the elavation capabilities of the laser-blinder thing. Just because the missle is powerful does not imply the gun is weak.

Russian admit that there gun launhced ATGM such as AT-11 and AT-10 can not engage helos.it lack the speed.

 

[Chengdu J-10]

Precision must also be taken into account, along with accuracy. The T-99 MBT is already a sufficient platform with superb performance, protection and firepower. It has good defense system against enemy MBT, but its offense seems to lag upon the rest of the tank capability. Its range in which its rounds can hit are about 30% less than most new Western MBT, its system accuracy also isnt up to par with the tank. Its gun accuracy is fairly good buts its the system accuracy they are having trouble to fix.

Protection can be solved quickly with add on armour but system accuracy takes abit of tweaking to solve. Though the new T-99 MBT seems to have fixed this issue attaining higher system accuracy and improved crew protection reinforcing the area in which its tank rounds are stored.

 

[dollarman]

Russian admit that there gun launhced ATGM such as AT-11 and AT-10 can not engage helos.it lack the speed.

The PLA does not field either. It uses an indigenous ATGM basedoff of the AT-10. Thus we cannot exclude the possibility any Chinese upgrades, including the addition of the ability to engage helicopters.

 

[Pointblank]

The PLA does not field either. It uses an indigenous ATGM basedoff of the AT-10. Thus we cannot exclude the possibility any Chinese upgrades, including the addition of the ability to engage helicopters.

That would require a significant upgrade in the engine and aerodynamics department, and by then, it would be a new missile with a old guidance package.

 

[Nethappy]

Protection can be solved quickly with add on armour but system accuracy takes abit of tweaking to solve. Though the new T-99 MBT seems to have fixed this issue attaining higher system accuracy and improved crew protection reinforcing the area in which its tank rounds are stored.

Add on armour has it limited due to weight, however the Type 99 modular armour design does allow it to upgrade it armour easier then most tank. thus the surviliablity is probly still lower then most advance western tank does to the absent of certain surviliablity feature such as blow out panel and many others.

The PLA does not field either. It uses an indigenous ATGM basedoff of the AT-10. Thus we cannot exclude the possibility any Chinese upgrades, including the addition of the ability to engage helicopters.

China has been producing the AT-11 under license since the mid-1990s.

hat would require a significant upgrade in the engine and aerodynamics department, and by then, it would be a new missile with a old guidance package.

Accounding to what I have hear, the upgrade of the engine and aerdynamics is not the most troubling issue. But the designing an guidance package that can surive the shock of the inital shot out of the barrel is the hardest thing.

One more thing i was actually told that the so call laser dazzler is actually use d to improve the guidance of the misslie, the defence feature is actually a secoundary roll

 

[challenge]

ZPT-98 125mm gun first introduced in the late 90's,surely decade later improve version may already exist.

 

[challenge]

That would require a significant upgrade in the engine and aerodynamics department, and by then, it would be a new missile with a old guidance package.

there's a picture in Chinese magazine showing up graded T-69 with 105mm tank gun firing AT-10 clone engaging "helos"
the picture was very blurr.it is not known if the target was a drone or simple deocy hanging from a wire(simulating stationary helos).
to engage helos one needed much higher velocity.

 

[adeptitus]

To verify this, go to Google.com, type in Ariana Threat Guide in the search box, and the first result should be the threat guide itself. Click on it (and once it loads - it is 6.92 MB, so it's BIG) and go to near the bottom of Page 135. There you will find the specification for the accurate range of the T-72 main gun - 2,000m. It lists the accurate range of the 125mm gun on the T-72 as being 2,000m - not far off from 1,800m that Global Security quotes. Even 25% improvement over 2,000m amounts to the same 2,500m of the Ukrainian 125mm.

Could someone give me the link to the Ariana Threat Guide?

I searched for it in google and this thread came up on top O_O