New Type98/99 MBT thread

[eckherl]

I have read somewhere that Al-Khalid-2, will be a Pakistani equivelant of Type-99 tank Dose some one have info regarding this claim...

Al-Khalid may be slightly better due to French technology with FCS auto tracking device and French designed night sights which Ukraine assisted in, but yes China has large amounts of technology based in the Al-Khalid and Type-99. I know that they can also either place a Type 99 or a Ukrainian T-84 engine pact.

 

[zraver]

Originally Posted by Leeda
I have read somewhere that Al-Khalid-2, will be a Pakistani equivelant of Type-99 tank Dose some one have info regarding this claim...

The pics i ahve seen on pakistani defense sites seme to show a pre-production type 98/98 test bed missing several critical armor blocks (presumably to reduce weight due to the tanks poor ground pressue and power to weight weight ratios.

 

[billkenny]

May be better due to the size over T-72 series, T - 90 is a T - 72 upgrade.

Regardless, I don't think it has answer for any of the state of the art top attack anti-tank weapon...

 

[utelore]

Biggest problem I see with all PRC tanks including the Type-99 is the side aspect hull armour. We were trained when engaging via out flanking a tank unit to induce your leed and put your round just below the turret ring on the side aspect. this sprayed hot spalding into the auto loader carousel and the tank would have immediate turret separation. the sabot would always go all the way threw. that would put it about 1 or 2 feet just above the bottom part of the turret basket.

I would put my money on even a Barret .50 with SLAP at under 500 meters hitting this same spot would cause the same reaction.

The side armour on all PRC "bigboys" need to be increased and get rid of this rubber crap and thin layer of tin side skirts.

Also I cannot say enough about a separation armoured bulk head for your tank rounds. ANY penetration on these T-72 based designed tanks will kill the crew..period.

 

[eckherl]

Regardless, I don't think it has answer for any of the state of the art top attack anti-tank weapon...

Size will play a major factor for future designed armor packages and bigger caliber main guns. Top attack ammunition will be nasty on any tank design, but they are really expensive and they will not take over a tanks combat load, a few will be carried for those pesky armored vehicles that you cannot engage due to terrian or range

 

[eckherl]

Biggest problem I see with all PRC tanks including the Type-99 is the side aspect hull armour. We were trained when engaging via out flanking a tank unit to induce your leed and put your round just below the turret ring on the side aspect. this sprayed hot spalding into the auto loader carousel and the tank would have immediate turret separation. the sabot would always go all the way threw. that would put it about 1 or 2 feet just above the bottom part of the turret basket.

I would put my money on even a Barret .50 with SLAP at under 500 meters hitting this same spot would cause the same reaction.

The side armour on all PRC "bigboys" need to be increased and get rid of this rubber crap and thin layer of tin side skirts.

Also I cannot say enough about a separation armoured bulk head for your tank rounds. ANY penetration on these T-72 based designed tanks will kill the crew..period.

Good points - yes it was something even watching what a 25mm bushmaster could do to Iraqi armor when conducting flank and rear shot bursts.

Even Russian design upgrades seem to be going to bustle mounted auto loaders due to safety and projectile size.

With the size of Type 99 they should be able to add more armor protection, it will be interesting to see what they do in this area for future design upgrades.

 

[utelore]

I saw this first hand. just for fun a Bradley fired 25mm sabot at the front turret aspect of a T-72 and it penetrated. I think the range was 300meters. Also saw Barrett .50 SLAP penetrate Type-59 front turret at 300-500 yards. please note the war was over and we just having fun with abandoned stuff....cheers ute.

I am hearing stuff down the pike that the armour on the Type-96/99 and those blocks are not ERA but very advanced composite made of some super hard mineral called coridium or something like that. These guys I talk too are umm.....will just say open sorce with a peep hole.

 

[cliveersknell]

Type 96 MBT vs competition-Big Market Opportunities

Hi All
There are big market opportunities for the T-96 in SEA.
The ff. inquiries have been received:
1. Competition - SouthKorea - KS1/II, India-Arjun/new modified Vijayanta with 120mm, Russia- T90S, Ukraine-T-80. How does the above compare
vs. these competitors?
2. Timely delivery - for batch of 50-100?
3. What type of 1000HP engine? Is this also an MTU clone like the 1500HP
of T99 or is it more like the Deutz/Weichang equivalent ?
4. Armor plate- does this tank use chobham type armor?
5. Is the 125mm gun identical to T99? can this gun fire the AT-11 anti tank
missile?
6. Can laser dazzler option be provided?
r's
Clive

Clive, we have a Type 96 MBT thread. No need to open a new one.

 

[fishhead]

We were trained when engaging via out flanking a tank unit to induce your leed and put your round just below the turret ring on the side aspect. this sprayed hot spalding into the auto loader carousel and the tank would have immediate turret separation. the sabot would always go all the way threw. that would put it about 1 or 2 feet just above the bottom part of the turret basket.

I am surprised that US Army even trains soldiers in this. In the modern warfare a Bradley or like will never get real chance to engage a tank, very rare. A modern tank fire control system reacts just too quick and accurate and can knock out a Bradley kms away. In a real war you either run away fast when spotting a tank or just ambush in an urban environment.

BTW all T-72 like tanks do poorly in an urban warfare, like in Chechnya. They're designed to do field combat, but lack of all direction armor protection makes it vulnerable in urban war. American or German tanks are far more better in this.

 

[Skorzeny]

I am surprised that US Army even trains soldiers in this. In the modern warfare a Bradley or like will never get real chance to engage a tank, very rare. A modern tank fire control system reacts just too quick and accurate and can knock out a Bradley kms away. In a real war you either run away fast when spotting a tank or just ambush in an urban environment.

BTW all T-72 like tanks do poorly in an urban warfare, like in Chechnya. They're designed to do field combat, but lack of all direction armor protection makes it vulnerable in urban war. American or German tanks are far more better in this.

In most of the world a tank will not see the bradley kilometers away! Its just in the desert or on the plains you will be able to see for miles. Typical engagents in a european war would be well at much closer ranges, giving the bradley a chance to fire back. As to who spots who, thats just training and luck.