New Type98/99 MBT thread

[gelgoog]

They should just develop their own round. The Russian round is basically from the Mosin-Nagant, it is rimmed, so it is obsolete. And you could do better than the standard NATO round with current technology.

Using an assault rifle round in a tank is a bad idea. You would want to have more combat range than the infantry with your armored vehicle.

 

[Kejora]

Do you mean they are debating 5.8x42 or 7.62x51? Because it is pretty clear the PLAGF does not see a future with the 7.62x54R with their recent weapon adoptions.

This is also the first time I am hearing that the QJY-201's adoption rate within the PLAGF is in a similar scope to the QJY-88, is there any source beyond lack pictures?

Do they have co-axial version of QJY-201 for tank?

 

[mlkoplm]

I don't think there are any vehicles with 5.8 mm MGs. I think this comes from an annotated picture of the new 8x8 AFV where it is erroneously said to have a 5.8mm coaxially mounted machine gun which there is no evidence for. I believe this was a mistake but unfortunately it has caught on.

Most modern vehicles definitely do use 5.8mm MGs. I believe the 99a, ZTQ-15, ZBD-04A and ZTL-11 use them. I was just curious on why they are switching to them on a large scale and if there are different or heavier rounds used on vehicle 5.8mm compared to infantry 5.8mm or are they just using the same ammo to simplify logistics.

 

[CHNPHD]

Do you mean they are debating 5.8x42 or 7.62x51? Because it is pretty clear the PLAGF does not see a future with the 7.62x54R with their recent weapon adoptions.

This is also the first time I am hearing that the QJY-201's adoption rate within the PLAGF is in a similar scope to the QJY-88, is there any source beyond lack pictures?

I have not any solid evidence

 

[by78]

One tanker truck refueling six Type-99s.

Maintenance day:

 

[Builder]

Impressive picture. Does anyone perhaps know how many type 99A tanks are produced to date?

 

[wssth0306]

Impressive picture. Does anyone perhaps know how many type 99A tanks are produced to date?

consider PLA armored force is about 2000 tanks strong , and 99A is only 10 years in mass production , it world be around 1000 units so far, it is unlikely to be higher , it would mean more then 100 units a years on average.
To produce more then that would be a major effort that doesn't allow for other acquisitions for the army.
Keep in mind that including the logistic and artillery IFV and such , a combined arms brigade cost much as 1 aircraft carrier to equip.

 

[henrik]

consider PLA armored force is about 2000 tanks strong , and 99A is only 10 years in mass production , it world be around 1000 units so far, it is unlikely to be higher , it would mean more then 100 units a years on average.
To produce more then that would be a major effort that doesn't allow for other acquisitions for the army.
Keep in mind that including the logistic and artillery IFV and such , a combined arms brigade cost much as 1 aircraft carrier to equip.

Considering that Singapore has 170+ Leopard 2 tanks, it should not be too difficult for China to acquire more tanks.

 

[wssth0306]

Considering that Singapore has 170+ Leopard 2 tanks, it should not be too difficult for China to acquire more tanks.

Paid for over many years , you can look at the Poland K2 deal to buy If I remember correctly about 200 something K2 , and it will take few years to deliver the tanks ,10-15 ish a month is actually what modern MBT mass production looks like.
Sure PLA have much more then just 170 tanks over all , but the bottle neck is at the production end , PLA are not going to put the money down to expand the production line to 200 tanks a year , the army budget has many things to buy not only tanks .

 

[plawolf]

Paid for over many years , you can look at the Poland K2 deal to buy If I remember correctly about 200 something K2 , and it will take few years to deliver the tanks ,10-15 ish a month is actually what modern MBT mass production looks like.
Sure PLA have much more then just 170 tanks over all , but the bottle neck is at the production end , PLA are not going to put the money down to expand the production line to 200 tanks a year , the army budget has many things to buy not only tanks .

There is no production end bottle necks. The Chinese tank and armoured be home factories are actually operation at a fraction of their peak production capacity in terms of hardware. The main limiting factor on current output is budget. In most economies, the main limiting factor to rapidly scaling up production would be on the worker side, but it’s much less of a concern for China since it does so much commercial civilian production that it has a vast skilled Labour pool it could quickly redeploy should the need arise. China is also massively investing in production automation, which further reduced spin up times.

Unlike the US which always talks about fighting China but doesn’t actually do much to prepare for it, China says little but takes concrete action to prepare for the worst.