New Type98/99 MBT thread
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Well, since the Leopard 2A5 and the Abram M1A2 uses the same Rheinmetall 120 mm gun at 44 caliber length... they can use the M829A3 is the latest american round, and DM63 for Germany.
The Leopard 2A6 and Black Panther uses the Rheinmetall 120 mm gun at 55 caliber length; which can use the M829A3 and DM63 I think.
The Challenger 2 uses a different rifled gun, 120mm L30 at 55 caliber long, which uses the Charm 3 L27A1 as the kinetic penetrator, and L31 HESH
In anycase, take penetration data with a grain of salt, all is classified.
Also, in any Indo-Pak war, there is no way that an Armor division from China or India can cross the Himalayas without being reduced to dust by air power - like afghanistan for soviet armor columns. So it is not likely to happen.
vesicles
Colonel
Pakistan has been an enemy of India's for a while. Both China and India have found ways to get around that and still maintain peace. So politically, both govn'ts know how to maintain a cool head when it comes to flash points.
i think germany uses only the DM wolfram round, but the k2 uses the uranium rounds? why not wolfram (no radioactivity)
a tank battle in the mountains is unrealistic i agree but they would fight a war in air, because of this region...
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I think you will get better answers over at tank net. Their forum is dedicated to tanks.
But for starters, depleted uranium comes from a nuclear reactor, it is hard to get it if you do not have a nuclear reactor as DU is not readily sold. DU is also a health hazard.
Wolfram require more processing to achieve the same self sharpening that DU have, so it is a more expensive and technically challenging to produce.
Basically,
DU
-self sharpening
-radioactive
-more dense = more energy when hit
Wolfram
-more technically challenging to produce to achieve same performance
-material is strategic but is not tightly controlled, so you can buy it on the open market.
Correction: DU is left when you enrich Uranium. You take U235 from natural Uranium ( 0.7% U235 ) and add it to other Uranium to get Uranium with 3.5% U235 for power reactors, 20% for the isotope production facility in Tehran ( recently in the news ) even more for propulsion reactors in ships and submarines and about 90% for nuclear weapons. You then have a lot of Depleted Uranium with a lot less U235 ( but not zero, and U238 is also radioactive ). Besides for this military application it is also used as counter weight is several technical areas.
Well, I won't draw conclusions.
There is also national pride in doing things; German designs are inherently elegant in their simplicity and functionality but is god damn hard and expensive to build. Russian designs are always good enough and fool proof in their design, while the Americans tend to have the best performance in everything at the expense of cost and side effects...
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
The Us Army Uses DU rounds in the Abrams as There at least were no plans to change Guns. The Abrams MBT's Main gun is a Licenced Production of the L44 120mm Cannon which is 17.3 Feet long (5.28 meters for you Metric lovers) now the European Tank of choice (By Volume) is the Leopard now in about oh 2005 to 2007 The Germans began upgrading all there tanks and the majority of the Export tanks to the Leopard 2A6 configuration the main gun on that is the Rheinmetall L55 120mm gun, It's 22 feet in length this means the rounds it fires have a higher velocity. The next two tanks in Europe The Chalanger2 and French Leclerc both use longer guns. The British being the same length as the L55, The French being just a little shorter
but its clear - DU is used because its cheap waste from atomic powerplants and available in high amount... AND has a better effect on enemys tanks i read.
change gun? in the L/55 the best KE shells i think are DU shells too... the L/55 hasnt other KE i think, the 2 biggest changes were the lenght for more velocity and the capability to fire precision guided anti tank missile
whats about the MBT 3000. on military today i read the MBT 3000 has poore optics and technical system compared to the type 99 - i thought the mb 3000 will be a more modern tank thank the type 99??
"The MBT 3000 is similar to the type 99G wich is currently in service with the PLA, but has downgraded capabilities such as sight, populsion and gun." - Military Today
change gun? in the L/55 the best KE shells i think are DU shells too... the L/55 hasnt other KE i think, the 2 biggest changes were the lenght for more velocity and the capability to fire precision guided anti tank missile
whats about the MBT 3000. on military today i read the MBT 3000 has poore optics and technical system compared to the type 99 - i thought the mb 3000 will be a more modern tank thank the type 99??
"The MBT 3000 is similar to the type 99G wich is currently in service with the PLA, but has downgraded capabilities such as sight, populsion and gun." - Military Today
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