new toy for chinese snipers

Chengdu J-10

Chengdu J-10

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coolieno99 said:
The Type M99 is not China's newest 12.7mm sniper rifle. There are others.

Here's basic spec for Type M99:

Muzzle velocity: 800 m/s
Effective range: 1300 m
Weight: 12.5 kg

[qimg]http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2009/m99sniper127mmlu0.jpg[/qimg]
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Big thanks for the correction and cool picture of the Type M99 12.7mm sniper rifle really hard to find these kind of pictures on the net though it does seem to be the same one that sinodefence has, except this one has Chinese wording and logo on it. Seen this one on sinodefence before but without the specs. But thanks anyway. And I've heard of some new 12.7mm sniper rifles but haven't seen any pictures of them or little of them anyway. If you have some can you please post them with the information. Keep the pictures rolling people.
 
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coolieno99

coolieno99

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The Chinese AMR-2 12.7mm sniper rifle is 2.7 kg lighter than the Type M99 and the effective range is extended to 1500 m.

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coolieno99

coolieno99

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The spec for the Chinese JS 12.7mm sniper rifle:

Muzzle velocity: 800 m/s
Effective range: 1500 m
Weight: 12.5 kg

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Chengdu J-10

Chengdu J-10

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More Info:
12.7mm Semi-Automatic Anti-Equipment Rifle
Caliber: 12.7mm
Overall length: 1450mm
Total mass: 13kg
Magazine: 5 rounds (Semi-automatic) or 3 rounds (bolt action)
Muzzle velocity: 840m/s or 3024km/h
Effective range: 1500m
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EddieBaker

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Just read the updated page on the JS 7.62mm and it said it used the Type 53 7.62 x 39mm cartridge. Is this a misprint? I thought Type 53 was the designation for 7.62 x 54mm Rimmed cartridges?
 
Dongfeng

Dongfeng

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EddieBaker said:
Just read the updated page on the JS 7.62mm and it said it used the Type 53 7.62 x 39mm cartridge. Is this a misprint? I thought Type 53 was the designation for 7.62 x 54mm Rimmed cartridges?
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I found it on some Chinese magazine saying that it was 7.62X39mm, but someone identified that the cartridge case in the photo is actually the one for 7.62X54mm. So I have amended the page
 
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hongkongpride

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"The Chinese AMR-2 12.7mm sniper rifle is 2.7 kg lighter than the Type M99 and the effective range is extended to 1500 m."

Nice weapon, my guess is that they will be comparable to the Barrett M82A1 anti-material sniper rifle in terms of stopping power and range.

However, I'm not sure what units they will be issued to-would they be just for the CT SWAT teams, PLASOF and PLAMC or general issue weapons?

And anyone know the specs?

Thanks
 
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goldenpanda

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Chinese Academy of Sciences 中科院 has best materials science research in the world, counting papers or citations. I bet that has to do with the "always little better than west" specs in Chinese ballistics.
 
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hongkongpride

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Can you provide any evidence to back up your claims about the:

"always little better than west" specs in Chinese ballistics?

because we still don't know anything about muzzle velocity and effective range of the AMR-2. A comparison:

AMR-2
Calibre: 12.7mm
Muzzle velocity: N/A
Weight: 9.8kg (empty)
Length: 1,420mm (stock open); 1,230mm (stock closed)
Barrel length: 850mm
Magazine capacity: 5 rounds
Effective range: N/A

M82A1
Caliber: .50 BMG (12.7 x 99 mm)
Operation: short recoil, semi-automatic
Overall length: 1448 mm
Barrel length: 737 mm
Feed device: 10-round detachable box magazine
Sights: 10x telescopic
Mass: 12.9 kg [about 28.5 pounds] empty
Muzzle velocity: 854 m/s (M33 Ball)
Max effective range: 1800 m
Expected accuracy: Sub-MOA with match ammo
Unit replacement cost: $8010.00

Barrett M-95 Anti Material Rifle
23.5 pounds (10.7 kg) empty, without scope
Length 45 inches (114.3 cm)
Barrel length 29 inch (73.7 cm)
Cartridge .50 BMG
Action Bolt action
Muzzle velocity 854 m/s
Maximum range 1800 meters
Feed system 5 Round Detachable Box Magazine


If the specs posted for the AMR-2 are correct, it suggests the AMR-2 has a higher range but lower muzzle velocity than an M82A1, thus reducing penetration-against unarmored targets it would not make the slightest difference as if you are hit by a 12.7mm round you would be BADLY hurt-but against lightly armored vehicles, the M82A1 could prove to be the better weapon-but don't quote me on this-because we don't know the full specs, I am just guessing based on my experience observing the operation of US sniper rifle systems.



Anyway, the JS 12.7mm rifle is certainly impressive although the weight (12.5kg) is slightly heavy for a sniper rifle compared to the AWM (7.0kg empty) and the M24 Sniper Rifle System (5.9kg empty).

However, if the PLA is planning to use it in the anti-material/light armor role, I don't see why the rifle cannot be effective.
 
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Red not Dead

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wanderingmind said:
Isthvan: Your continued contention on the inherent inaccuracy of semi-auto sniper rifles bothered me, so I just instant-messaged a couple of Army sniper team platoon leaders - one in Iraq, the other in Afghanistan - from another forum I'm in. Their unified response: Both teams are using the M-21 (accurized M-14 with synthetic stock) as their primary. Both teams have returned their bolt actions to inventory, as they are getting better accuracy from the M-21. As one put it, "The 124 Hajjis we've put down in the past six months don't care whether we used a bolt-action or a semi-auto. They're still dead." He himself has a 900-yard kill with the M-21.
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Well great you'll tell that to the 76th motorized Dv that uses for sniping at extreme ranges a HMG. Skill counts and unfortunately, a lot. 1000m kills with Dragunovs are getting more and more common since Putin is giving to his boys decent ammo and Giperon scopes. But all and all Bolt Rifles have a shit load of features that render them particularly more suitable to the "sniper role"...And Don't forget there is not much sniper action in Iraq any more but pure DMR action! Even the Hajis are doeing the same.

hongkongpride said:
Can you provide any evidence to back up your claims about the:

"always little better than west" specs in Chinese ballistics?

because we still don't know anything about muzzle velocity and effective range of the AMR-2. A comparison:

AMR-2
Calibre: 12.7mm
Muzzle velocity: N/A
Weight: 9.8kg (empty)
Length: 1,420mm (stock open); 1,230mm (stock closed)
Barrel length: 850mm
Magazine capacity: 5 rounds
Effective range: N/A

M82A1
Caliber: .50 BMG (12.7 x 99 mm)
Operation: short recoil, semi-automatic
Overall length: 1448 mm
Barrel length: 737 mm
Feed device: 10-round detachable box magazine
Sights: 10x telescopic
Mass: 12.9 kg [about 28.5 pounds] empty
Muzzle velocity: 854 m/s (M33 Ball)
Max effective range: 1800 m
Expected accuracy: Sub-MOA with match ammo
Unit replacement cost: $8010.00

Barrett M-95 Anti Material Rifle
23.5 pounds (10.7 kg) empty, without scope
Length 45 inches (114.3 cm)
Barrel length 29 inch (73.7 cm)
Cartridge .50 BMG
Action Bolt action
Muzzle velocity 854 m/s
Maximum range 1800 meters
Feed system 5 Round Detachable Box Magazine


If the specs posted for the AMR-2 are correct, it suggests the AMR-2 has a higher range but lower muzzle velocity than an M82A1, thus reducing penetration-against unarmored targets it would not make the slightest difference as if you are hit by a 12.7mm round you would be BADLY hurt-but against lightly armored vehicles, the M82A1 could prove to be the better weapon-but don't quote me on this-because we don't know the full specs, I am just guessing based on my experience observing the operation of US sniper rifle systems.



Anyway, the JS 12.7mm rifle is certainly impressive although the weight (12.5kg) is slightly heavy for a sniper rifle compared to the AWM (7.0kg empty) and the M24 Sniper Rifle System (5.9kg empty).

However, if the PLA is planning to use it in the anti-material/light armor role, I don't see why the rifle cannot be effective.
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Your M82 numbers are the A3 ones. The A1 is 14 kg empty.

More weight means more stability (especially given the round fired-12.7x108P).
 
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