new toy for chinese snipers

I think here is the problem to the conversation. One group cares about the part of the body hit and can't imagine having the bullet hit the wrong finger. The other don't care.

(M-21s getting better accuracy? Would that be due to an "uneven launch pad" leading to bad gas and worse accuracy in the M24, where the M-21 has the chamber clutter but since it moves back, it acts more like a RPG?)

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You are talking about combat, doesn't matter if you hit the right or left eye.

He is saying semis tend to have worse accuracy, so you can't depend on it to hit someone's left pointer.

If the circle continues, you know what happens.

For China's Type 88 I personally feel that they should develop a new cartridge just for the rifle and not for any other small arms. I don't like how China uses the one all suites everything rule, using the 5.8 x 42 mm for its Type 95 assault rifles, machine guns and sniper rifles. The Type 88 sniper rifle should have something bigger in cartridge wise to give it more hitting power and range. (Dont know about the range) This new cartridge could be used for the machine gun but not the assault rifle. Assault rifle stick with the same cartridge while machine gun and sniper rifle change.

wanderingmind said:

The Barrett company might disagree with you, sir! The semi-automatic anti-materiel weapon currently used by U.S. forces snipers is the one that provided the accuracy for the alleged "world-record" kill at thousands of meters. And, by the way, they are experimenting with a 25mm version that is still man-portable and will not cause lasting physical damage to the shooter! The ability of the semi-auto to return to battery quickly, with less punishment to the shooter, has made it the current weapon of choice for the real long-range killers.

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Actually, the world longest range for a sniper kill (2,430 metres or 1.5 miles) is held by a Canadian sniper, Corporal Rob Furlong of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry Regiment. He used a bolt-action McMillan TAC-50 0.50 BMG rifle, which was fitted with a 16x Leupold scope. And from my sources, it took 3 shots to hit the guy.

sumdud said:

I think here is the problem to the conversation. One group cares about the part of the body hit and can't imagine having the bullet hit the wrong finger. The other don't care.

(M-21s getting better accuracy? Would that be due to an "uneven launch pad" leading to bad gas and worse accuracy in the M24, where the M-21 has the chamber clutter but since it moves back, it acts more like a RPG?)

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You are talking about combat, doesn't matter if you hit the right or left eye.

He is saying semis tend to have worse accuracy, so you can't depend on it to hit someone's left pointer.

If the circle continues, you know what happens.

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Sorry for this but I was joust trying to explain why SiG2000(and bolts in general) are used in PAP and in LE generally...
I don't have anything against semi autos and I think that they are great for military use but I was joust trying to explain why they aren't perfect choice in this particular scenario...

Now to cut this discussion and return to topic: is type88 replacement for type79/85 or is she supplementing type79/85? IMHO there is place for both rifles in PLA arsenal.

isthvan said:

Sorry for this but I was joust trying to explain why SiG2000(and bolts in general) are used in PAP and in LE generally...
I don't have anything against semi autos and I think that they are great for military use but I was joust trying to explain why they aren't perfect choice in this particular scenario...

Now to cut this discussion and return to topic: is type88 replacement for type79/85 or is she supplementing type79/85? IMHO there is place for both rifles in PLA arsenal.

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I think that the Type 88 are going to be equipped in the PLA while the PAP might either stick with its current Type79/85 sniper rifles. Or the PAP might get a new sniper rifle, due to the PAP complained that the Type 88 didn't have the accuracy for hostage situations so this would indicate that the Type 88 in the PAP is not meeting the criterias. So either their will be a new modified Type 88 sniper rifle for the PAP, or completely new design, or stick with its current ones. The modified Type 88 seems the most appropriate.

Well, SVDs are quite famous as a sniper rifle. (Overrated?) People will stick to them. Type 88 being inaccurrate? Where'd you hear that? Haven't heard. Bullet flying too low due to steel core?

Chengdu J-10 said:

I think that the Type 88 are going to be equipped in the PLA while the PAP might either stick with its current Type79/85 sniper rifles. Or the PAP might get a new sniper rifle, due to the PAP complained that the Type 88 didn't have the accuracy for hostage situations so this would indicate that the Type 88 in the PAP is not meeting the criterias. So either their will be a new modified Type 88 sniper rifle for the PAP, or completely new design, or stick with its current ones. The modified Type 88 seems the most appropriate.

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I was under impression that PAP will adopt JS 7.62mm (first post in this thread) but I didn't see any picture of it in operational service.


Btw. I would be grateful for any info about its operational status...

sumdud said:

Well, SVDs are quite famous as a sniper rifle. (Overrated?) People will stick to them. Type 88 being inaccurrate? Where'd you hear that? Haven't heard. Bullet flying too low due to steel core?

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I didn't say they were inaccurate I said that they were not accurate enough for hostage situations were the dedicated sniper rifle (bolt action) comes into play. The Type 88 just isn't that accurate enough for the pure sniper rifle were near guarantee must be required. The Type 88 is obviously accurate, do you think that the PLA would equip its forces with an inaccurate rifle? Of course they wouldn't. The Type 88 (meant for rough abuse on the battlefield) is a designated marksmen rifle, not designed to the same degree as the dedicated true sniper rifle. The Type 88 should stick with the PLA while the PAP should get bolt action sniper rifles with further increase accuracy then the Type 88. Read clearly before posting back.

i can't see first link picture can someone ost again?

Chengdu J-10 said:

Doesn't the PLA have a new 12.7mm sniper rifle? i think its called the M99 or something 99? ...

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The Type M99 is not China's newest 12.7mm sniper rifle. There are others.

Here's basic spec for Type M99:

Muzzle velocity: 800 m/s
Effective range: 1300 m
Weight: 12.5 kg