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swimmerXC

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I remembered in one of the forums there was a submitted thesis to one of the Beijing universities exactly on the issue of DSI interference on the canards. There was also some submitted proposals by the author about a twin engined delta canard with the two side inlets that have DSI and the canards right behind them. This is a matter that have to be investigated through simulations and wind tunnel testing.

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crobato

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Not really this one. This is about DSI in technical detail from a magazine. The one I was referring to only showed J-XX proposals that had both DSI and canards.
 

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Oh to be more precise, it's about the interaction of strake vortex with the canard vortex at high incidence. Once you create a DSI, the intake itself would form into a strake.
 

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MORE J10A TO BE PRODUCED

An authoritative source from Chinese aviation industry claims that the task of J10A/B production will be very demanding this year. J10 fighters were first deployed at the Campaign Tactics Training Center of Nanjing Military Command in 2002. And later in 2004, Air Force No.44 Division stationed in Kumming and Mengzi of Yunnan Province also received them. ......The source also disclosed that follow-up research work of J10A is now under way. On the basis of J10A, a land-attack variant J10C will be developed.

(For full story, please refer to June 2006 Issue of Kanwa Defense Review.)

old stuff?
 

crobato

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Yeah, that's old stuff, and practically everyone knows this. But the J-10 is a good issue to bring up again and again to get people to buy your magazine and read your stuff.
 

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So it is a given that A model will be pure air to air? Then C model being made specifically for air to ground? Would that mean that some structure modifications would be made, strenghtenings, perhaps additional fuel? That excerpt also says air to ground is to be made out of A version, the single seater, rather than twin seater. Or am i reading too much into it?

Still, it is worth asking why j-10 won't be made into a swing role plane? Too much money going around?
 

nonpilot

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This is why I don't post. You flash the little "You haven't posted in a long time" message. Nobody answered his post so I tried and still nothing. No one help him or me trying to answer his post it's a forum! people should help and join in right?. Just the same people talking most of time they should just e-mail each other. Just because certain people aren’t on the same level don’t you blow them off?

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I can't see the Japanese being first with the AESA radar and putting it on a F-2, it's not even there best fighter. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the US already have about a 100 or so operational aircraft with the AESA radar? It would suprise me if this could be true wouldn't the Japanese air force put the AESA in the F-15Js instead of the F-2? I don't know about the naval warship but I'm sure somebody in this forum can help this poster with these two questions much better then I.
 
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crobato

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So it is a given that A model will be pure air to air? Then C model being made specifically for air to ground? Would that mean that some structure modifications would be made, strenghtenings, perhaps additional fuel? That excerpt also says air to ground is to be made out of A version, the single seater, rather than twin seater. Or am i reading too much into it?

Still, it is worth asking why j-10 won't be made into a swing role plane? Too much money going around?


I kind of doubt that. The "C" model if you wish to identify that as the "Super-10" still appears to be like an air superiority fighter. This is the plane inevitably with the TVC, and hopefully, phase array if that has not already been implemented. J-10A appears to already have a minor secondary role for ground strikes, albeit using bombs and rockets. Every PLAAF fighter is actually required to be capable of basic bombing and ground attack, but it's up to see if the J-10 will acquire true precision guided munition capability like using pods and dropping LGBs.

Compared to F-16, the basic J-10A appears to already have enough fuel and structural modifications planned ahead in its design for ground roles. All it needs is developing the avionics.

The irony of it all is that if China adopted Russian Zhemchug radar into the J-10, the plane would have been definitely multirole from the start, albeit using weapons like the Kh-29T and Kh-31P. And if China adopted LETRI's JL-10A radar to the J-10, the J-10 would already have multirole capability, even ASM capability using YJ-83.

But going to the KLJ series suggest that while the radar is not as multirole as the JL-10A, it does suggest that KLJ must have superior air to air functionality and performance to the JL-10A or even the Zhemchug radar. Since the original basis of the KLJ series radar is installed on the J-8H and J-8F, as well as upgraded J-8Ds, observation of the J-8IIs will give you vital clues to the state of weapons integration that will also pertain to the J-10. Another clue is the FC-1 which is also adopting another version of the KLJ series, possibly KLJ-6, 7 or 10. Simply said the radars on all three aircraft are just rescaled, recalibrated versions of each other. The KLJ-6E used on the J-7G is the smallest and most basic version of all. The fact that all three jets use the KLJ family of radars do deeply suggest China is very satisfied with this radar design. If you simply track the progress of the FC-1's multirole development, that will also give you clues to the J-10's development on the same areas as well.

As an interesting note, i am kind of like to know if the PL-12 capability of the other KLJ radars are still retained on the J-7G version. That can enormously improve the fighter's lethality even if we can expect the track and engage ranges would be fairly short.

In any case, many Chinese forum posters are simply reading too much into the history of the F-16 development and casting it on the J-10. They are thinking that J-10C would be analogous to F-16C where the plane become a swing role fighter. In the first place the J-10's dimensions, airframe features and power level would already tell you that the plane skipped the "F-16A" stage. The F-16A is more in analogy to the original Lavi, although the Lavi was from the start, a swing role fighter. The J-10A's engine is more comparable to the ones used in the F-16C. The size of the wing root bladders, the internal capacity of the delta wing, raised back and lengthened fuselage of the J-10 suggests it can also hold more fuel than the F-16C. And the radar is larger, comparable directly to the MiG-29, that's already a lot of radome space which you can house a capable multirole radar.
 

Red_CCF

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chengdu super-10?

I just recently heard about an aircraft called super-10, which is supposedly a variant of j-10 with better engines and thrust vectoring. I don't know if this is old news or not but I'd appreciate it if anyone could give me more information about this, thanks
 

Yang Yang

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Re: chengdu super-10?

well , here is a website which will probably be useful for your question.
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it says Super-10 is an upgraded J-10 .
i am not good at english , so if you cannot read chinese , you can restort other people to get help.
 
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