New J-10 thread II

[Scratch]

Being a single enginged aircraft will make the J-10 less maintenance intensive I guess, meaing it can produce a higher sortie rate. So I guess it can and will also fullfill (not so heavy) strike missions. It should already be able to launch LT-2/LS-6 I think. In the A-A environment some accompanying J-11Bs for EW and perhaps the AAR role would be a good idea.

I still don't really know what to think about the "upgraded" J-10 though.
We've had that topic a few months ago I think. Is it a "standart" J10 with upgraded avonics and perhaps a slightly modified airframe? (Well, a moded airframe would also mean a lot of aerodynamic tests again.)
When word came out the CAC was also involved in the 4th gen. fighter project -that is allegedly quiet advanced- it was assumed there might not be en extra two-engined J-10.

 

[crobato]

Speculatively and conservatively, I expect the next version of the J-10 to be a moderate upgrade.

WS-10A engine or AL-31FMN-1 (TVC is still a question mark).

Wide Angle HUD (from J-11B)

Optical MAWS if it does not have already. Already seen on the J-11B and JF-17.

Improved ECM, sort of like the system on the JF-17.

Improved datalinking capabilities to work with KJ-2000, -200, and High New series and so on.

Improved satcom and navigation abilities with the ability to use LS-6 and LT-2.

I expect the J-10 to enter into a "pause" phase after the last regiment inauguration in order to work out the next version.

 

[challenge]

Speculatively and conservatively, I expect the next version of the J-10 to be a moderate upgrade.

WS-10A engine or AL-31FMN-1 (TVC is still a question mark).

Wide Angle HUD (from J-11B)

Optical MAWS if it does not have already. Already seen on the J-11B and JF-17.

Improved ECM, sort of like the system on the JF-17.

Improved datalinking capabilities to work with KJ-2000, -200, and High New series and so on.

Improved satcom and navigation abilities with the ability to use LS-6 and LT-2.

I expect the J-10 to enter into a "pause" phase after the last regiment inauguration in order to work out the next version.

J-10 like SU-30Mk ,both plane are porgrammed using high-C language.improve version of J_10 will switch to ADA95 language.
other improvement was instalation 6 MAWS to provide 360 degree coverage .
improve avionics.

 

[Diving Falcon]

Personally I think the goal of the upgraded J-10 would be to stand in the league of Rafale and Eurofighter - i.e. a genuine 4.5 generation fighter. So I think we should be seeing substantial improvement in avionics, ECM/EW and radar...as well as airframe improvements to make it as stealthy as Rafale/EF.

 

[PrOeLiTeZ]

Being a single enginged aircraft will make the J-10 less maintenance intensive I guess, meaing it can produce a higher sortie rate. So I guess it can and will also fullfill (not so heavy) strike missions. It should already be able to launch LT-2/LS-6 I think. In the A-A environment some accompanying J-11Bs for EW and perhaps the AAR role would be a good idea.

I still don't really know what to think about the "upgraded" J-10 though.
We've had that topic a few months ago I think. Is it a "standart" J10 with upgraded avonics and perhaps a slightly modified airframe? (Well, a moded airframe would also mean a lot of aerodynamic tests again.)
When word came out the CAC was also involved in the 4th gen. fighter project -that is allegedly quiet advanced- it was assumed there might not be en extra two-engined J-10.

Strike missions aren't really J-10 strong characteristics, but really J-11B won't need escorts as it is already pretty self sufficient in defending itself against enemy threats. J-10 escort would be for AWACS n AEW aircrafts, or defending restricted airspace etc.

The modified J-10 isn't really so modified but upgraded, the engines will be either WS-10A or the AL-31 increase thrust without TVC. If their were TVC engines then modifications would be done to the tailfin, as the Y-Axis pitch would be restricted by the tailfin. So really to much hassel. Moreso on upgraded avionics, radar, HUD, HMS and possibly some further composite material use to reduce weight and increase thrust to weight ratio.

 

[Scratch]

Strike missions aren't really J-10 strong characteristics,

Even though strike is not it's best feature, I still believe it can and will conduct strike missions. Being lighter/agile and also smaller in RCS may be usefull in certain scenarios.
BTW, is the J-10S only a trainer? If not, I would assume the development of a two-seater for combat is more aimed at strike than areal warfare.

but really J-11B won't need escorts as it is already pretty self sufficient in defending itself against enemy threats. J-10 escort would be for AWACS n AEW aircrafts, or defending restricted airspace etc.

Not sure if you perhaps didn't get what I meant. What I wanted to say was that J-11Bs could in some cases accompany/escort J-10s for EW, ESM, AAR support. The size of the radom offering space for a bigger AESA (later) can be a helpful EW tool.

 

[tphuang]

Strike missions aren't really J-10 strong characteristics, but really J-11B won't need escorts as it is already pretty self sufficient in defending itself against enemy threats. J-10 escort would be for AWACS n AEW aircrafts, or defending restricted airspace etc.

The modified J-10 isn't really so modified but upgraded, the engines will be either WS-10A or the AL-31 increase thrust without TVC. If their were TVC engines then modifications would be done to the tailfin, as the Y-Axis pitch would be restricted by the tailfin. So really to much hassel. Moreso on upgraded avionics, radar, HUD, HMS and possibly some further composite material use to reduce weight and increase thrust to weight ratio.

Have you seen the modified J-10? How do you know it's not so modified but upgraded? From all indications, the ugprade goes more than just upgraded engine and avionics upgrade. This will be an entirely new block designed to be superior to all the teen series and be equal/superior to Typhoon/Rafale.

As for J-10 escorts, I'm not sure why you are saying it needs AWACS or AEW escorts. If you are saying that it's inferior in BVR, that's not proven at this point, because it makes up for the weaker radar/EW with smaller RCS and superior turn rates.

 

[tphuang]

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This describes a red/blue flag exercise. From the text, it looks like J-10 is blue and flankers are red. Talks about blue locking on red early and having better avionics. Didn't go into the results or anything like that though.

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[unknauthr]

This describes a red/blue flag exercise. From the text, it looks like J-10 is blue and flankers are red. Talks about blue locking on red early and having better avionics. Didn't go into the results or anything like that though.

Sounds like this confirms that the avionics that Russia supplied for China's Flankers were flat-out inferior to those developed in China for the J-10.

Makes me wonder if the Russians intentionally de-tuned the hardware supplied to China, to make them less of a threat to Russia. The US does the same thing with the hardware that it sells overseas.

 

[Pointblank]

Sounds like this confirms that the avionics that Russia supplied for China's Flankers were flat-out inferior to those developed in China for the J-10.

Makes me wonder if the Russians intentionally de-tuned the hardware supplied to China, to make them less of a threat to Russia. The US does the same thing with the hardware that it sells overseas.

The Russians supplied the export version of the Flanker to China. Naturally, Russian export versions do not contain the same level of sophistication in terms of avionics package as Russian Flankers.