New J-10 thread II

[aquilis182]

That wasn't a KJ-2000 that crashed. That was a Y-8 balance beam I believe. Can you point out your sources because they are sooooo wrong.

As I say probably this very same website about what happen to the KJ2000. I ussually use aerospaceweb.org I sell you my data as they sell it to me buddy. Im in the U.S. military not in the PLA. Besides what your source have that mine dind have? as for the Ba-7 to target stealth... what else can you tell me about it. cause I dind find that havo nothing to do to target stealth aircrafts my friend, I finded in this very same website u can chek my previous post that I talk about it and give you more than enough evidence.

 

[aquilis182]

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so you 'll see 3 different types of "Airborne Early Warning Aircrafts (AWACS) in test - may be some in service - to lead J-10s and other fighters

That was helpfull thanks a lot friend I read The data you give me and even if the PLAAF have only do flight test that means is possible that they already have operative an AWACS Y-8... Chinas military is not famous for say everithing they have... I take your point as valid but I gess it's more acurate (but not more practic) to work with we have as already operative.

 

[aquilis182]

Some issues.

I don't think the US pilots reach over 300 hours. There are certain limits you don't cross due to pilot fatigue and other issues. The figures we know are 200 to 300 hours.

Second, I don't think the Typhoon ever exercised with the F-22 yet.

First... Right here you can find how much a chinese fighter pilot train pilot in comparation with a U.S. Fighter pilot:

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read the first paragraph of the section called "Trainnig" with the PLAAF emblem.
Second I don't find exactly the exercise of the F-22 vs the Typhoon but I do have find some sources that can give you an idea of what happen If and F-22 fights an Typhoon

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[crobato]

The KJ-2000 program is probably operational already, given its activities towards Taiwan. Its also been mentioned in exercises, providing vectoring and joint coordination with fighters. My estimate is that probably at least four have been made, given the various paint schemes of numbers of each of the individual aircraft. I don't think its 'perfected' yet, and its still an ongoing process of development and refinement, but that won't stop it from operational use.

The balance beam Y-8 is probably still in developmental stage. The crash delayed this program but it seems its still on the way, and a possible replacement may have already been built. The Y-8 AEW might be just an export model only but cannot rule out domestic use. Export stuff means they are past development already, and the Y-8 AEW can be used to supplement the KJ-2000s.

In addition to these there are various MPAs that also have AEW functions, Y-8s with search radar that can spot aircraft as well ships. These MPAs, at least two types, have foreign radars. A third type may be using an indigenous set. Another Y-8 variation appears to have the airborne version of the 052C's radar on its cheeks. These planes, and there may be at least two of them, may provide both surface and aerial surveillance capability.

 

[crobato]

First... Right here you can find how much a chinese fighter pilot train pilot in comparation with a U.S. Fighter pilot:

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read the first paragraph of the section called "Trainnig" with the PLAAF emblem.
Second I don't find exactly the exercise of the F-22 vs the Typhoon but I do have find some sources that can give you an idea of what happen If and F-22 fights an Typhoon

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Globalsec isn't very good when it comes to Chinese matters. When Gen. Pace visited the PLAAF 1st Division, the Divisional Commander told him that they averaged about 140 to 150 flight hours. This is for a pure fighter group. When a J-7 crashed last year, the newspapers reported that he had already over 140 hours and is 90% near his quota. We have a photograph of a PLAAF fighter pilot's certificate and based on the flying time he accumulated between his first and second citations, he had over 800 flight hours in about over four years, to be more precise, around 185 flight hours per year. This pilot however maybe a best case basis.

Now if you want to look at this publication by RAND, NATO has a 180 hour per year flight minimum, and averages up to 240 hours. This mentions the RAF specifically.

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If you want some graphs to go along with it, here is the year by year USAF F-16 pilot hour averages.

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Even at the peak, its not past 25 hours, which is what you need for 300 flight hours per year. In some years, its really gone down as low as 15 hours per month, which is the NATO minimum.

 

[SU-30]

I am pissed that some indians keep saying Su-30MKI can shoot down J-10 like kites. Why are some people just so blind and reluctant to see and accept the bitter truth?

Not to make you any madder but the SU-30MKI is superior to the J-10

 

[AssassinsMace]

As I say probably this very same website about what happen to the KJ2000. I ussually use aerospaceweb.org I sell you my data as they sell it to me buddy. Im in the U.S. military not in the PLA. Besides what your source have that mine dind have? as for the Ba-7 to target stealth... what else can you tell me about it. cause I dind find that havo nothing to do to target stealth aircrafts my friend, I finded in this very same website u can chek my previous post that I talk about it and give you more than enough evidence.

I don't recall discussing about such a thing as "Ba-7 targeting stealth." Websites don't necessarly give you 100% truth and facts. This website and many others say otherwise than "China has no AWACS whatsoever." Do you think all those KJ-2000 pics are fake or something? The site you're getting your information on is either wrong or not up-to-date. All you have to do is read Richard Fisher's articles. He's pretty much proclaimed as the US's foremost neocon civilian "expert" on China's military and the information in his reports is verbatim from what you see around on the internet on sites like this one for at least a year already. I believe I've seen him mention the KJ-2000 in one of his reports. And Sinodefense.com isn't a China-based site if that's why you're skeptical of what it posts. It's pretty conservative on "speculative" information on its site.

 

[tphuang]

alright, I didn't feel like answering the Ba-7 question. But yeah, believe what you want to, but here is the low down on Ba-7. Just by it's small size and its shaping alone (I mean look at how tiny it is in that picture and no 90 degree angles anywhere), that should indicate that it has a pretty low radar signature. Add to that, cover it with RAM and you have something that has a low radar and infrared signature. It's not F-22 level in stealthiness, but definitely a small enough target to conduct a lot of the air defense testing.

 

[challenge]

according to strategypage,com (aug.17/07) claim that J-10A is fitted with AESA radar,can track 10 target and attack 4 of them-simultaneosly.
can anyone confirmed it,since there are a lot of phony newsin wforum/wmf.

 

[SU-30]

according to strategypage,com (aug.17/07) claim that J-10A is fitted with AESA radar,can track 10 target and attack 4 of them-simultaneosly.
can anyone confirmed it,since there are a lot of phony newsin wforum/wmf.

The J-10 can't be armed with the AESA because the AESA is an American radar not a Chinese radar.:coffee: