New J-10 thread II

[challenge]

J-10 can redesign her fuselage for AL-41,which offer greater thrust and the engine possess supercruise capability,while there's no indication that the aircraft carry IRST,FC-1 do carry MAW describe as "pseodo-IRST able to detect approaching missile plumes at 20km away" .
the biggest weakness of Chinese avionic was her (as israeli and russian engineers) low MTBF and ECM.

 

[tphuang]

J-10 can redesign her fuselage for AL-41,which offer greater thrust and the engine possess supercruise capability,while there's no indication that the aircraft carry IRST,FC-1 do carry MAW describe as "pseodo-IRST able to detect approaching missile plumes at 20km away" .
the biggest weakness of Chinese avionic was her (as israeli and russian engineers) low MTBF and ECM.

i believe at the current time, they did not install built in IRST due to space issues, but it could be carried as a pod. For example, FC-1's MFDs support IRST, so should J-10. I also read that Chinese avionics's MTBF is actually several times higher than F-16C.

 

[_Snake_]

What would be the (most likely) rcs signature emitted by the J-10, once complete?

 

[aquilis182]

alright, let's get a few things straight here:
There is a huge difference between J-10 and the so called "twin-engined" J-10.

There is no question that the most we can hope for J-10 is to achieve A2A capability of Rafale/Typhoon. Maybe at home with supporting ground based radar and AWACS, it will also take down a few F-35s.

However, this "twin-engined" J-10 supposedly will already have many of the 5th generation attributes like sustained supercruise without using afterburners, using internal weapon bay, advanced RAM, stealthy engine intake, generally achieve some level of stealthiness (although probably still an order of magnitude greater than F-35/F-22), multi-role AESA radar, advanced EW suite and such. In terms of maneuverability, I would think the requirement would be higher than F-35/eurocanards and probably matching that of F-22. In fact, they will sacrifice multi-role capability to achieve more power tracking range in A2A, greater maneuverability and stealthiness.

Now, whether or not this will happen is a different story, but that's the goal. Remember, in 10 years times, the computer processing speed, RAM technology, missile technology and such will all have advanced.

As for stealthy targets for SAMs, you can check out Ba-7. That's what China uses as it's stealthy target to test against. It supposedly simulates the maneuverability of a 4th generation fighter. And it has very low infrared signature and radar signature (< 0.1 m^2 frontal and even smaller with RAM).

First As for the front canard wings finded the Typhoon, Rafale and even the J-10... Im pretty sure thats help the manieuverability of a plane (forgive my english... its my second lenguage) for example the typhoon outmanewvers an american F-15s in an NATO exercise... the Typhoons pilot where amaze cause the F-15 was considerate one of the best (not the best) in terms of manieuverability. however front canard wing helps a plane to be maneuverable, the thrust vectoring engines are inven better than the front canard wings to make a plane more maneuverable, in other exercise the Typhoon suffer a crushing defeat in the hand of the F-22, the F-22 prove to be far more maneuverable. I never see an exercise like that but I can bet my b@!!s than the russian SU-37 Terminator can outmaneuver the F-22 or anyother aircraft in the world, scince this plane count with both thrust vectoring engines, front canard wings besides the overrall aerodynamics are superb thats proove at least in terms of maneuverability... in overrall terms its a complitley different story. This so call "twin engine" J-10... I never see it before. I will love to see some pictures and data on this plane, so I can make a fair statement about specially this "twin engine" J-10 fighter. all that I see so far is about the "single engine" J-10 im not taking credibility out of your statement but I usually say my sources so people can see how or where I back up my arguments... when I talk about planes I usually use aerospaceweb.org. I wold like to know where do you find information about this "twin engine" J-10. pictures, technical information or even videos (if possible) as for the Ba-7 all that I find that is a drone for mainly trainnig purposes but can also be used for photography and survey roles... you can check at

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and I don't see where say that have something to do with stealth I also request my friend where I can find more information about the Ba-7 and what this have to do with target stealth air crafts.

 

[aquilis182]

No AWACS whatsoever? What sources say? "Whatsoever" is a big word to lay on the table. You should check at least Sinodefense.com if you want to see at least 3 to 4 "no AWACS whatsoever."

All that I find my friend it's than China is working on his own AWACS its called the KJ2000 that already have an accident and crash killing all the crew, Im not saying the project must stop for that reason planes crash all the time for different reasons, even the F-16 crashed when they where experimental phase due a malfunction in his avionics. I also know that china is trying to modifi russian maded transport planes with his own indigenous radar for AWACS role but I see some pictures (I don't remember where to be honest... probably in this very same website sinodefence.com) rusians transport planes with AWACS radar in the top with the PLAAF emblem but I still don't find any information that say they are already active in the PLAAF. I will be happy to find out more about it please if you have more data let me know.

 

[AssassinsMace]

All that I find my friend it's than China is working on his own AWACS its called the KJ2000 that already have an accident and crash killing all the crew, Im not saying the project must stop for that reason planes crash all the time for different reasons, even the F-16 crashed when they where experimental phase due a malfunction in his avionics. I also know that china is trying to modifi russian maded transport planes with his own indigenous radar for AWACS role but I see some pictures (I don't remember where to be honest... probably in this very same website sinodefence.com) rusians transport planes with AWACS radar in the top with the PLAAF emblem but I still don't find any information that say they are already active in the PLAAF. I will be happy to find out more about it please if you have more data let me know.

That wasn't a KJ-2000 that crashed. That was a Y-8 balance beam I believe. Can you point out your sources because they are sooooo wrong.

 

[crobato]

Some issues.

I don't think the US pilots reach over 300 hours. There are certain limits you don't cross due to pilot fatigue and other issues. The figures we know are 200 to 300 hours.

Second, I don't think the Typhoon ever exercised with the F-22 yet.

 

[mxiong]

I am pissed that some indians keep saying Su-30MKI can shoot down J-10 like kites. Why are some people just so blind and reluctant to see and accept the bitter truth?

 

[Sczepan]

.... I will be happy to find out more about it please if you have more data let me know.

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KJ-2000 AIRBORNE WARNING & CONTROL SYSTEM

The KongJing-2000 (KJ-2000) airborne warning and control system (AWACS) is based on the Russian-made A-50 (NATO codename: Mainstay) airframe outfitted with the Chinese-made electronically steered phased-array (ESA) radar and C3I system. At least three prototypes have been built since 2002.
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A total of four planes (B-4040, B-4041, B-4043, and CFTE #762) have been identified so far...

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Y-8 'BALANCE BEAM' (KJ-200) AIRBORNE EARLY WARNING AIRCRAFT

Shaanxi Aircraft Industry Corporation based at Hanzhong, Shaanxi Province is currently developing a new type of airborne early warning (AEW) aircraft based on its new Y-8 turboprop transport aircraft. The aircraft, nicknamed 'balance beam' by military observers, was possibly designated KJ-200. The aircraft is fitted with a linear-shape electronically steered phased-array (ESA) radar similar to the Swedish Ericsson PS-890 Erieye. The aircraft made its maiden flight in November 2001. The finalised variant based on the Y-8F600 first flew in January 2005. A prototype was reportedly lost in an air crash on 4 June 2006.
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Y-8 AIRBORNE EARLY WARNING AIRCRAFT

Shaanxi Aircraft Industry Corporation is currently test-flying a new indigenous airborne early warning (AEW) design based on its new Y-8F-600 airframe. This is the PLAAF’s third AEW programme following the introduction of KJ-2000 AWACS and Y-8 ‘Balance Beam’ AEW aircraft only few years ago.
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Internet source photos show that at least one plane (register number T0518) is currently undergoing flight test....

so you 'll see 3 different types of "Airborne Early Warning Aircrafts (AWACS) in test - may be some in service - to lead J-10s and other fighters

 

[Dizasta78]

I've been studying the feasibility of data linking Erieyes and KJ-200s. I've significantly searched online for information related to this particular subject and so far i've had no luck. Anyone has any input in this regard. Also, which platform carries the KLC-1 radar? Is it the KLJ-200 or is the Y-8 Ground Surveillance platform?