New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

gelgoog

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It is pretty simple. As Japan lost the consumer electronics maker market they also lost the economies of scale of mass manufacture of the products that are required to make them.

For example Sony used to sell a lot of cameras with lithium ion battery cells. What about now?

What is the latest Panasonic appliance that you have seen let alone bought? Panasonic i.e. Matsushita used to be like the world's #1 consumer electronics maker. And Sony used to be #2.

Sony were the first to market an OLED TV. But then Samsung managed to mass manufacture it and make it in the many millions. Sony never got past the trial stage. It was a niche product and highly expensive.

BYD started out making components for smartphones and laptops. They used to make batteries for mobile devices. They only got into making cars afterwards.

It is all about scale. Mass production can make a product an order of magnitude cheaper. And by selling more units with larger profit per unit you can then pile those profits into R&D to stay ahead.

I would also say that corporate culture also plays a part. In Japan you don't knock on someone else's business. For example, why couldn't have Sony or Panasonic just made an electric car themselves? Because of Japanese corporate culture. They are electronics makers and that would be intruding on someone else's market. In China this is much less of an issue. BYD also had an advantage in that there was no car company in Shenzhen so they had a lot of local government support.
 
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tankphobia

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Don't get me wrong, this shows a high level of complicated automation and technological prowess. But what is the target audience of this feature? Are they just expecting people buying it for off roading will also want to have a drone camera following them?

An auto recharging drone hanger you can plop on top of a car seem to have more military applications than civilian ones.
 

henrik

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It is pretty simple. As Japan lost the consumer electronics maker market they also lost the economies of scale of mass manufacture of the products that are required to make them.

For example Sony used to sell a lot of cameras with lithium ion battery cells. What about now?

What is the latest Panasonic appliance that you have seen let alone bought? Panasonic i.e. Matsushita used to be like the world's #1 consumer electronics maker. And Sony used to be #2.

Sony were the first to market an OLED TV. But then Samsung managed to mass manufacture it and make it in the many millions. Sony never got past the trial stage. It was a niche product and highly expensive.

BYD started out making components for smartphones and laptops. They used to make batteries for mobile devices. They only got into making cars afterwards.

It is all about scale. Mass production can make a product an order of magnitude cheaper. And by selling more units with larger profit per unit you can then pile those profits into R&D to stay ahead.

I would also say that corporate culture also plays a part. In Japan you don't knock on someone else's business. For example, why couldn't have Sony or Panasonic just made an electric car themselves? Because of Japanese corporate culture. They are electronics makers and that would be intruding on someone else's market. In China this is much less of an issue. BYD also had an advantage in that there was no car company in Shenzhen so they had a lot of local government support.

It is LG that is leading in OLED technology, not Samsung.
 

Lethe

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BYD to end production of pouch-type batteries used in its PHEV vehicles:

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SHANGHAI (Reuters) - China's BYD plans to end production of the pouch-type batteries used in its best-selling hybrids as the automaker seeks to address durability concerns and the risk that they could leak, said three people familiar with the matter.

The world's top seller of battery-powered cars last month began converting production lines for pouch-type cells in two of its factories situated in Shaanxi and Zhejiang provinces to produce prismatic batteries instead, said one of the people, who had direct knowledge of the matter.

It is still making pouch-type cells at a third factory in Qinghai province to minimise disrupting production of its hybrid vehicles, which accounted for almost half of its global sales last year, but plans to switch that too and completely stop using pouch cells by early 2025, the person said.

No cases of battery leakages from BYD cars have been reported by the automaker or Chinese regulators to the public. But BYD and some industry experts believe that pouch-type batteries, where the cells are wrapped in a thin metal bag made of aluminum laminated films, have a higher chance of leaking electrolytes, said the three sources. In extreme cases, leaking electrolytes could cause the battery to burn or explode, they said.

In 2022, BYD recalled more than 60,000 units of its Tang DM-i hybrids that used the pouch-type batteries. The recall plan that it reported to the regulator cited a battery pack defect that could cause a "thermal runaway".

BYD unveiled in 2021 its self-developed hybrid technologies including a blade-shaped battery pack containing pouch cells which it said could achieve a higher charge and discharge efficiency specifically required by plug-in hybrid (PHEV) cars.

It uses such batteries in all of its PHEV models, which made up 48% of its total car sales of 3 million units in 2023 and are almost all sold in China. BYD does not source batteries externally, and the batteries it makes are mostly for its own use.

The automaker plans to replace the pouch batteries in its PHEVs with a type of prismatic battery known as "Short Blade", which is similar in structure to the Blade battery it uses in pure electric vehicles with stacked foils but is shorter in length, one of the sources said.

Hmm, I wonder what type of batteries will be in the Seal U and Ute PHEVs when they turn up here...
 

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BYD hosts Indonesian launch event in Jakarta, announces USD $1.3bn investment:

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JAKARTA (Reuters) -China's BYD, the world's biggest electric vehicle maker, unveiled three battery EV models in Indonesia on Thursday as it seeks to expand its presence in Southeast Asia's biggest economy.

BYD, which has been offering electric buses and taxi fleets through local Indonesian partners, said it would start selling the Dolphin hatchback, the Atto 3 sport utility vehicle and the Seal sedan in that country.

Indonesia is seeking to accelerate EV adoption and lure investment into local battery production and EV supply chains that can take advantage of the country's rich reserves of nickel, a key battery material.

Chief Economic Minister Airlangga Hartarto said in a video message delivered at the launch event that BYD was planning to invest $1.3 billion in facilities with production capacity of 150,000 vehicles.

Eagle Zhao, BYD's Indonesia president, said the company was on track to build the facilities later this year as scheduled and it would establish a sales network of up to 50 outlets across the country by the end of 2024.

Given Indonesia's socio-economic profile, I would have thought that Seagull would be at the top of the list for vehicles to bring to that country. It would also be nice to have more details on these production facilities.
 

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BYD hosts Indonesian launch event in Jakarta, announces USD $1.3bn investment:
So now BYD has invested in:

- Mexico
- Thailand
- Brasil
- Indonesia
- Hungary.

BYD said it wants to add another factory in Europe (at a minimum). It did try to invest into India but the Modi govt's Sinophobia got in the way. This proves that the world is pretty open to Chinese investment except two countries: US and India.
 
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