New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

tphuang

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My creation "Intelligent Vehicle" after "Electric Vehicle". In Chinese, the current popular wording is "智能驾驶", which is "Intelligent Driving". I don't like use "smart" or "AI" or "autonomous vehicle", which I consider widely abused in various areas. But the essence is unmistakable in China EV theme right now. Along this line, I believe China will be the first country to achieve L4 equivalent on public roads, in terms of consumption scale as well as government regulation. It is pretty much a 2-house race right now, Tesla vs Huawei. And I think Huawei will come out on top while Tesla will do well with its FSD (Full Self-Driving).
lol, i've literally been posting the dongchedi test results here in the past day.

Tesla is not anywhere around in competition for obvious reasons and I put in my tweet why that is.

Huawei is leading right now, but we are going to get most of the brands achieving city NOA next year. Nothing really special about what Huawei is doing. They just happened to be the first to get involved in this so they are rolling out City NOA a little ahead of others
 

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lol, i've literally been posting the dongchedi test results here in the past day.

Tesla is not anywhere around in competition for obvious reasons and I put in my tweet why that is.

Huawei is leading right now, but we are going to get most of the brands achieving city NOA next year. Nothing really special about what Huawei is doing. They just happened to be the first to get involved in this so they are rolling out City NOA a little ahead of others

What is NOA?
 

4Runner

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lol, i've literally been posting the dongchedi test results here in the past day.

Tesla is not anywhere around in competition for obvious reasons and I put in my tweet why that is.

Huawei is leading right now, but we are going to get most of the brands achieving city NOA next year. Nothing really special about what Huawei is doing. They just happened to be the first to get involved in this so they are rolling out City NOA a little ahead of others
You have done a great job informing us the progress on the ground. Huawei has a total package above 4 wheels in the era of autonomous driving or intelligent vehicles, which does not yet have its peer, not even Tesla. There are a few brand news auto manufacturing facilities from Chang An or JAC or Seres that are far advanced than BBA can offer. So China auto industry has overcome all barriers in traditional can manufacturing sans ICE power train. BYD is the champion in all things electric vehicles, but it is lacking what it takes to close its gaps with Huawei HIMA offerings soon enough. And China is the absolute pole position in public infrastructure for intelligent electric vehicles. In that context, I see Huawei HIMA, Tesla and BYD as the top 3 EV-to-IV champions for years to come, under the assumption that Wang Chuan Fu can overcome his personal bias agains autonomous driving by EVs.

What Huawei has been doing in HIMA is extremely hard. I know this because I have sufficient technical knowledge and professional experience in electronics aspects of what Huawei is trying to accomplish. And I am pretty sure no US manufacturing companies can come close in the foreseeable future. And we know Germany sucks at anything other than mechanical aspects of cars. I personally has witnessed Huawei's growth from a telecom copycat to an ICT giant. If Huawei can land its hands on a commercial viable 5nm for its Kirin chipsets and Ascend chipsets, not even Tesla can overcome Huawei's technological competence in what it takes to prevail in this coming new era of intelligent vehicles.

There is very little time for the west to get its house in order for that cutthroat transition.
 

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I expect sale price for this SUV in Cambodia to be US$70,000+; I won't touch it anyway.
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This will not surprise any of us, but it's nevertheless a useful reminder that the EV revolution in China is not driven by regulatory fiat but rather organic demand.

Of course, this raises the question if regulators in China are behind the curve and if so, should they up their targets?
 

tphuang

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You have done a great job informing us the progress on the ground. Huawei has a total package above 4 wheels in the era of autonomous driving or intelligent vehicles, which does not yet have its peer, not even Tesla. There are a few brand news auto manufacturing facilities from Chang An or JAC or Seres that are far advanced than BBA can offer. So China auto industry has overcome all barriers in traditional can manufacturing sans ICE power train. BYD is the champion in all things electric vehicles, but it is lacking what it takes to close its gaps with Huawei HIMA offerings soon enough. And China is the absolute pole position in public infrastructure for intelligent electric vehicles. In that context, I see Huawei HIMA, Tesla and BYD as the top 3 EV-to-IV champions for years to come, under the assumption that Wang Chuan Fu can overcome his personal bias agains autonomous driving by EVs.

What Huawei has been doing in HIMA is extremely hard. I know this because I have sufficient technical knowledge and professional experience in electronics aspects of what Huawei is trying to accomplish. And I am pretty sure no US manufacturing companies can come close in the foreseeable future. And we know Germany sucks at anything other than mechanical aspects of cars. I personally has witnessed Huawei's growth from a telecom copycat to an ICT giant. If Huawei can land its hands on a commercial viable 5nm for its Kirin chipsets and Ascend chipsets, not even Tesla can overcome Huawei's technological competence in what it takes to prevail in this coming new era of intelligent vehicles.

There is very little time for the west to get its house in order for that cutthroat transition.

Tesla is not a peer, but other Chinese automakers are. Generally, you just need to consider Chinese industry here as a whole as being far ahead of everything else.

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Here is a recent Highway NOA test involving N7, M5, G6 and L7.

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Here is one from early November out of Chongqing bw N7, AITO, XPeng, Li Auto, NIO & Tesla

You can see from this list that Tesla here could only cover 14% of area. Basically, N7, AITO & XPeng are about th same level in terms of human interaction (full ADAS coverage & < 1 human interaction & basically no mistake). We are basically pretty close to maxing out in capability in terms of Highway NOA already. Which means over the next year, everyone else in China will catch up.

Looks like NIO & Li Auto are pretty good also. I expect Li Auto to be on this top tier by end of this month once its 5.0 OTA gets rolled out. The unveiling is today.

Feel free to post some evidence, but there is really nothing special about what Huawei is doing. The entire chinese industry is just this far ahead
 
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