New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

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dingyibvs

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supersnoop said:
I am going to be a lawyer-style weasel and note that I said "basically all" and not "absolutely all"
But I looked at a review of L9 SUV
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It said fuel efficiency is 10 L/100 Km highway. That is pretty bad considering it is a inline 4.

Considering other 3-row SUVs:
Gasoline Grand Highlander (I4T) at 8.6 L/100 Km Highway
Hybrid at 7.0 L
Chevy Tahoe (V8 with Cylinder Deactivation) at 11.8 L

So basically there is a big fuel efficiency penalty to operate in a solely series setup, using almost as much gas as a good ol' USA BOF truck on the highway.

In other news
I bought an Autel Maxicharger and I see that they have already offshored their production to Vietnam. Quite surprised that a new product like this is already being produced outside of China (where their HQ is)
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1) Where did you see the L/km stay in that article?

2) It only matters after you exhaust the 180km pure electric range. The reduction in complexity likely outweighs the slightly worse fuel efficiency during the rare occasions e.g. road trips where the ICE needs to work.

3) You can't compare the fuel efficiency of a full size, luxury SUV weighting 5500lbs, is 205 inches long, and runs on 21 inch wheels with a 4500lbs mid-sized SUV that's 195 inches long and runs on 18 inch wheels.
 
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huge, VW investing in XPeng and using XPeng tech
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this is how Chinese supply chain get into European automakers

top selling models from past week according to Dongchedi
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Huge, all but guarantees Xpeng's survival. Xpeng and Li Auto looking healthy right now. Feels like Nio is starting to lag behind. Battery swapping may be burning too much capital and not attracting enough sales.
 
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supersnoop

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dingyibvs said:
1) Where did you see the L/km stay in that article?

2) It only matters after you exhaust the 180km pure electric range. The reduction in complexity likely outweighs the slightly worse fuel efficiency during the rare occasions e.g. road trips where the ICE needs to work.

3) You can't compare the fuel efficiency of a full size, luxury SUV weighting 5500lbs, is 205 inches long, and runs on 21 inch wheels with a 4500lbs mid-sized SUV that's 195 inches long and runs on 18 inch wheels.
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1) At the very end under “The worst thing about the car…”

2) I’m not saying Li is building a bad car, just quantifying the trade off that I was talking about before.

3) I’m not making a strict comparison, just giving a giving a general idea. I imagine most car shoppers are not using vehicle weights to make their decisions. Rather things like cargo/passenger capacity and absolute fuel economy.
 
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If gasoline demand would peak next year, then the shift to petrochemical would accelerate and the need of import would decrease which would greatly affect Japan, Taiwan and South Korea as major exporters of petrochemical to China. It also is a sign that EV adoption has accelerated with more and better infrastructure supports.
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dingyibvs

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supersnoop said:
1) At the very end under “The worst thing about the car…”

2) I’m not saying Li is building a bad car, just quantifying the trade off that I was talking about before.

3) I’m not making a strict comparison, just giving a giving a general idea. I imagine most car shoppers are not using vehicle weights to make their decisions. Rather things like cargo/passenger capacity and absolute fuel economy.
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OK, I see it now, the highlighting actually obscured the text for me, I didn't see either the green or red highlighted sections.

I'm saying that the tradeoff in practice is 1) not very relevant if present, and 2) not clearly present because you're comparing two very different classes of vehicles. Consumers compare between cargo/passenger capacity and absolute fuel economy among the same class of vehicles, not between different classes. The L9 is a full-size luxury SUV while the Highlander is a mid-size economy SUV. I mentioned weight and tire sizes because those are typically the things that make luxury vehicles less fuel efficient than their economy counterparts even when they're based on the same platform and drive train.
 
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It was always a stupid plan. At least BYD got burned before they invested rather than after, like many other Chinese companies, thereby avoiding losses. Hopefully other Chinese companies are paying attention and won't repeat the same mistake.

Really, most of the world outside of India and the US is pretty open. This year we've seen LatAm + MENA + ASEAN + Eastern Europe investments from a range of Chinese EV & battery companies. Double down on what works.
 
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