New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

tphuang

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Jinan to start phase 2 production soon. As well as Xian phase 4 and Shenzhen shenshan starting and another commercial vehicle plants. Hiring a lot of people.

I think it's really relevant in China to see what happens to the cities that don't get EV factories. 40000 factory jobs of various salary jobs + tax base + supporting jobs is huge for a city of 3 to 4 million
 

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from a prominent EV blogger account for best selling PVs in June
截止到18号,比亚迪6月卖的最好的车型分别是秦plus、海豚、宋pro、宋plus、元plus……
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First 2 makes a lot of sense. 3rd one tells me that despite the complaints over Yuan Pro price not being low enough, it's actually still selling well.

Since Song+ had bigger discount announced on the 19th when it got launched, I figure Song+ will sell really well. Song family as a whole can regain their position as the most popular car family
 

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I think combustion engines will be restricted to long distance transport in the future. If someone ever gets some kind of fuel cell with a hydrocarbon to work efficiently someday, then maybe some of the combustion engines used in long distance transport can be replaced with that as well. I do not think pure electric will work all that well in either large airplanes or large ships.

When the oil crisis happened in 1970s there was some talk about using nuclear for large ships. But that never happened either.
 

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This week has been a big one for Chinese EVs (and therefore the entire EV market) in Australia.

BYD and MG have announced the nation's two new cheapest EVs on sale, separated by only a few hundred dollars. I get that AUD is meaningless for most folks but the relative values tell the story:

(All figures are driveaway pricing for South Australia per manufacturer websites.)

BYD Dolphin 45kWh: $41,100
MG MG4 51kWh: $41,700

There are state-based EV subsidies, ranging from $0 (lol Victoria) to $6000 (Queensland). In SA the subsidy is $3000 so Dolphin comes down to $38,100. MG4 has slightly more claimed range and more powerful motor. BYD has better equipment fit.

Compare...

Tesla Model 3 : $66,400
Hyundai Kona Electric: $58,936
BYD Atto 3 50kWh: $50,600
GWM Ora (Good Cat) 48kWh: $46,900
Toyota Corolla Hybrid: $34,900
Hyundai i30: $26,300-$39,000.
Mazda 3: $34,100-$46,600.

It feels like 2023 is the year when EVs really started to take off in Australia, going from <2% of deliveries to now consistently above 5% (I think monthly peak to date was a little over 7%). China is entrenched in Australia's EV story (87% of all EVs sold here in Q1 came from China) both as manufacturing hub for Tesla and as supplier of most of Australia's more affordable EVs. I can see BYD and MG going from strength to strength here over the next few years. BYD Australia is bringing Seal by the end of the year, another SUV next year, and also an electric ute by end 2024. The latter is going to be huge in terms of establishing mindshare.

With this latest crop of more affordable EVs I think they are now emerging as compelling propositions as vehicles for many applications. The question marks that remain are about long-term reliability and support, brand value feeding into resale value, and also our poor public charging infrastructure, particularly outside the major cities. It is for those reasons that I currently have a Toyota RAV4 Hybrid on order, but this is certainly an exciting journey to watch.
 

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Chinese researchers have won the Best Paper Award for a revolutionary paper on planning-oriented autonomous driving at the Computer Vision and Pattern Recognition Conference (CVPR). CVPR selected 12 candidates for the honor of Best Paper from more than 9,000 papers this year..

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