New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

ougoah

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The reality is that EV buyers are not cross shopping with regular cars. Why can Tesla get away with taking out park assist from their cars which has been a standard feature in premium cars and trims for 20 years?

Mustang Mach E and Hyundai Ioniq 5 are also at the GLC price range.

Mustang Mach E being in GLC price range is fine. It's a bit of a "special" car. Just like a ICE Mustang is considerably pricier than a ICE mid size entry level luxury sedan, the EV Mustang ought to be more as well. The Ioniq 5 is around $10,000 AUD cheaper than the entry level Merc GLC in Australia. Ioniq 5 is $70,000 AUD entry level whereas GLC is $80,000.

To put things in perspective, the BYD Atto 3 (the only BYD the Australian importer is offering) is a far better purchase and car than the Ioniq 5 for the money. It's top spec Atto 3 is selling for under $50,000 AUD, offering a similar level and specced product to the Ioniq 5. This is an entry, entry level BYD and it's already Ioniq 5 comparable for $30,000 less (top spec Ioniq 5 is above $80,000).

But someone said BYD sedans being sold in Germany is higher priced than a Merc GLC. Yeah the sedans are much nicer and better cars than the Atto 3 hatch/mini SUV. Assuming a GLC in Germany is the same price as it is in Australia, that's more than $80,000 AUD for a BYD Tang. Insanity. For that money I'd much rather buy a NIO with impeccable styling and tech. The equivalent price for a Hongqi E-HS9 is around $120,000 AUD for a mid to top spec model. That's arguably the "neatest" Chinese electric car on the market outside of the Human Horizon offerings (other worldly cool). Basically an electric Rolls Royce Cullinan although it's getting dated since it's a 2019 car essentially. A NIO ET7 or comparable top range top spec sedan from XPeng are around $80,000 to $100,000 AUD. In that BYD range but it's like comparing a Toyota Camry and a Mercedes E Class (the BYD would be the Camry).
 
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SteelBird

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The slogan in Khmer language reads "Buy now, get now!".
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I understand that in many countries, when you buy a car, you usually have to wait for a few months to get it. In Cambodia, people generally don't like it. For example, my friend went to a Toyota dealer seeking for a Land Cruiser, the dealer said that he had to pay a deposit of US$2,000 and wait for 5 months. When the car arrives if price goes up, he can reject and get back his deposit. In case price not changed but he changes his mind not to buy the car, he will have to abandon the deposit. The friend went to a non-dealer car shop and drove his Arabic Land Cruiser home without waiting.

For your reference: E2 costs US$28,900. Atto 3 costs: $41,800. Han costs $68,000. Tang (if my memory serves me right) costs $69,000. Nissan Terra (Diesel) costs $69,000.
 

tphuang

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I don't quite understand why there is another discussion about Han/Tang pricing. I explained the rationale earlier. Han/Tang are not meant to be major export items. Clearly, BYD sees enough demand at this pricing level to export the number of both models that they want to export. In a few months, they will release Seal, Dolphin and Song+ DM-i in the European market. Those are the ones they want to really export to the world.

If BYD thinks it can charge more and get more profit, then it will do so.

They are expecting to sell over 35k Han in October. It's not like they are having trouble selling this thing. I saw a post today that said they only just managed to deliver every car by end of September that were pre-ordered before Mar 15th.

Just saw a picture of meeting between BYD design staff and FAW. Looks like FAW's future is dependent on BYD at this point.

Interesting, read somewhere that they will store taking new orders for DM-i/p after Dec 1. I guess they are going to unveil new dual motor technology soon.

Well, now the BZ3 news is getting picked up. Actually, BZ3 is powered by not just the blade battery but also BYD electric motor. I guess they didn't want that to me told to rest of the world.
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Mustang Mach E being in GLC price range is fine. It's a bit of a "special" car. Just like a ICE Mustang is considerably pricier than a ICE mid size entry level luxury sedan, the EV Mustang ought to be more as well. The Ioniq 5 is around $10,000 AUD cheaper than the entry level Merc GLC in Australia. Ioniq 5 is $70,000 AUD entry level whereas GLC is $80,000.

To put things in perspective, the BYD Atto 3 (the only BYD the Australian importer is offering) is a far better purchase and car than the Ioniq 5 for the money. It's top spec Atto 3 is selling for under $50,000 AUD, offering a similar level and specced product to the Ioniq 5. This is an entry, entry level BYD and it's already Ioniq 5 comparable for $30,000 less (top spec Ioniq 5 is above $80,000).

But someone said BYD sedans being sold in Germany is higher priced than a Merc GLC. Yeah the sedans are much nicer and better cars than the Atto 3 hatch/mini SUV. Assuming a GLC in Germany is the same price as it is in Australia, that's more than $80,000 AUD for a BYD Tang. Insanity. For that money I'd much rather buy a NIO with impeccable styling and tech. The equivalent price for a Hongqi E-HS9 is around $120,000 AUD for a mid to top spec model. That's arguably the "neatest" Chinese electric car on the market outside of the Human Horizon offerings (other worldly cool). Basically an electric Rolls Royce Cullinan although it's getting dated since it's a 2019 car essentially. A NIO ET7 or comparable top range top spec sedan from XPeng are around $80,000 to $100,000 AUD. In that BYD range but it's like comparing a Toyota Camry and a Mercedes E Class (the BYD would be the Camry).

This is more the way EV buyers are thinking. Comparing different EVs rather than "I can get S-Class for that price". Those aren't even in the thought process. I can't see BYD, so I can't speak to it's worth, but there is very little cross shopping once the mind is made. EV is best for environmental-mindedness, running cost reasons, or you simply enjoy the EV driving experience more, they are inherent advantages that ICE cars won't have.

Well, now the BZ3 news is getting picked up. Actually, BZ3 is powered by not just the blade battery but also BYD electric motor. I guess they didn't want that to me told to rest of the world.
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I've seen a lot of articles about the BYD-Toyota bZ3 in mainstream media, it's not a secret. Many articles say "BYD powertrain on the e-TNGA platform, shared with bZ4x" or something along those lines.
 

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Another sodium battery manufacturer will start mass production:

This Chinese Province Has More EV Chargers Than All of the US​

Guangdong’s extensive charging network has erased range anxiety and encouraged electric car ownership.
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To be fair, I'm not sure if private chargers in the U.S. are counted. Currently, the U.S. probably has more private garages that can be used to install private chargers than China.

I think the Chinese language computer interface problem has been solved completely.

Price war?

Tesla cuts China prices by up to 9% as analysts warn of 'price war'​

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A couple of interesting takes on Tesla price cut. I think it's true that Tesla was facing collapsing sales and too much production. They had no choice but to cut prices just to keep existing production rate going. It was makes sense to me that BYD and Huawei are the only ones that don't need price cuts. XPeng/Li Auto are going to be in trouble pretty soon imo. Constant losses + low stock prices -> easy takeover targets.

Interesting perspective on Tang DM-i. It doesn't make a lot of sense to have a 252 km DM-i version. That's a lot of battery for a dual motor car. 112 km is enough for your daily city driving. Also interesting that people compare it to Honda CR-V. I guess it works as a nice, large family car.

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lol, Atto 3 already available on used car market for huge markup in Australia. Yeah, demand is really high.
 

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Tesla has huge margins so they have a lot more room for price cuts than other car manufacturers. In the end they will have to further segment their vehicle offerings with maybe the so called Model 2. The Tesla Cyber Truck and the actual Truck seem like expensive distractions to me. I would basically do the Model 2 and the Roadster and cancel the others.
 

GodRektsNoobs

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Seems that while everyone is distracted by BYD, a dark horse is set on making gains abroad. MG4 have been receiving rave reviews in Europe. It has more range, better interior and better driving performance than VW ID.3, while being almost £10,000 cheaper at only £25,000. I can see this car being perfect for a improverished Europe..

 
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