New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

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It is official: As part of a series of electric vehicle battery investments made today, Governor Gretchen Whitmer joined the Michigan Economic Development Corporation in announcing Michigan Strategic Fund (MSF) support for a transformational investment by the global battery company Gotion, which has chosen to build its battery component manufacturing facility in Big Rapids.
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Maybe German legacy automakers' EVs are not competitive enough:
I mean, you don't need electric viking to know that ID4 isn't competitive.
Gotion got $715 million incentives for its battery plant in Michigan.

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yes, Gotion rumour has finally been confirmed. This is directly from Michigan
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we will see how this goes. The politicians like to be anti-China, but local gov't still loves having manufacturing jobs created. I would anticipate CATL to still build a plant somewhere in America.
 

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From Germany on the big 100k order. It's important for this deal to be mentioned in German media so that people can get used to the idea that Chinese EVs are worth buying. I think the view of Germans to Chinese cars is probably not all that different from their view of Chinese aircraft. This order + title as the world' largest EV company will give BYD a type of branding that other Chinese automakers won't have.
 

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Did a bit of reading into SAIC's history as one of China's oldest car companies and can't help but feel like they have a massive missed opportunity with their Shanghai lineup of cars.

Shanghai was first known as Fenghuang aka phoenix during the prototype stage. This first picture shows a reconstructed Shanghai 760 prototype along with its ornament that was later removed in production vehicles. From what I know the ornament design actually differed from car to car because they were handmade.
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These two pictures are interesting. It is a very rare prototype of the SH760 that has very little real pictures. But it has an incredibly dominating design with 2 massive dragons in the front.
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Finally they decided to go with a plain design with a shield logo with shanghai written on it, as a more plain step down from the Hongqi reserved for higher officials.
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In fact, there was news of the brand's revival back in 2012, around the same time that Hongqi got revived in 2013 as part of a government push:
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It was supposed to be a high end fuel cell brand to be unveiled in 2012 Beijing Auto Show, but for some reason it never happened.

After seeing FAW's success with Hongqi I can't help but feel SAIC missed a golden goose. It could have become China's equivalent of Audi, like how Hongqi is kind of China's equivalent of Mercedes.

A modernised Fenghuang brand, incorporating these early design elements like the Phoenix ornament, perhaps a little bit of dragon styling would probably have done better than SAIC's current attempts to produce high end cars like IM Motor, Feifan etc that have no history to speak of and little unique selling points.
 

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Did a bit of reading into SAIC's history as one of China's oldest car companies and can't help but feel like they have a massive missed opportunity with their Shanghai lineup of cars.

Shanghai was first known as Fenghuang aka phoenix during the prototype stage. This first picture shows a reconstructed Shanghai 760 prototype along with its ornament that was later removed in production vehicles. From what I know the ornament design actually differed from car to car because they were handmade.
c211c1d6bea644fda0085c427ca5547e~noop.webp





These two pictures are interesting. It is a very rare prototype of the SH760 that has very little real pictures. But it has an incredibly dominating design with 2 massive dragons in the front.
1959-tsaotong-2.jpg

1959-tsaotong-1.jpg



Finally they decided to go with a plain design with a shield logo with shanghai written on it, as a more plain step down from the Hongqi reserved for higher officials.
shanghai-sh760-china-dalian-0.jpg

Links to more of these early car pictures:
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In fact, there was news of the brand's revival back in 2012, around the same time that Hongqi got revived in 2013 as part of a government push:
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It was supposed to be a high end fuel cell brand to be unveiled in 2012 Beijing Auto Show, but for some reason it never happened.

After seeing FAW's success with Hongqi I can't help but feel SAIC missed a golden goose. It could have become China's equivalent of Audi, like how Hongqi is kind of China's equivalent of Mercedes.

A modernised Fenghuang brand, incorporating these early design elements like the Phoenix ornament, perhaps a little bit of dragon styling would probably have done better than SAIC's current attempts to produce high end cars like IM Motor, Feifan etc that have no history to speak of and little unique selling points.
On that note I love how the government continues to use the classic Hongqi model as a states car. Hopefully they continue to do so in the future.
 

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The latest news from Chinese social media is that BYD could be supplying its DM-i technology to VW. That would be so huge if true. BYD has been linked to a lot of big names. We know their technology is great and we know that there is demand out there for both battery/electric motor and PHEV dual motor technology. So, we should find out over the next year who else they might pull in. The supply chain of BYD is just insane.

I had a thought. With the current high energy prices in Europe, companies will be increasingly looking to source components from abroad. This is probably the best time for BYD and other Chinese auto part makers to take over the supply chain of European automakers.

Ahead of Oct 11th launch in India, BYD is in talks with a local tire company to supply tires

Africa is definitely a developing market for EVs, but good to see 2 K6 buses doing so well over 6 months in Kenya
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BYD is definitely making a lot of in road in California. Now, it is making providing electric buses to making a local school district all Electric.
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BYD has found its Swedish partner in Hedin Bil
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