New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

supercat

Major
According to what I read here, CATL wants to build its own battery swap network. Why bother building so many systems for one same function? Why they just can't cooperate to make the system more popular and cheaper to the users?

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The details of CATL's battery swap stations were unveiled:
  • CATL said its battery swap service can be adapted to 80 percent of the world's vehicles already on the market and those to be launched in the next three years on pure electric platforms.
  • It (the battery pack) uses CATL's latest CTP (cell to pack) technology and has an energy density of over 160Wh/kg, or 325Wh/L. A single battery can provide a range of about 200km, according to CATL.
  • Consumers can rent battery blocks on demand, and freely choose the number of blocks (1 to 3 blocks, each provide 200 kmg/125 miles) according to their own usage scenarios and habits.
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According to Moneyball, China will have 12,500 - 51,900 swap stations by 2025. Long termly, China may need to build 550,000 swap stations for passage cars and 60,000 swap stations for heavy commercial vehicles, at a cost of RMB1.8 trillion, or approximately 27 billion in today's US dollar terms (quite affordable in my view).

Some other news from CATL: they have developed a production/recycle system that recycles 99.3% of core metals used in the batteries:

According to the head of transportation at BloombergNEF, here is the prediction for 2022's global EV market: total EV (battery electric vehicle + plug-in) production of more than 10.5 million (8 million BEVs), of these, 6 million in China, 3.2 million in Europe:

Interestingly, it seems that China's ICE production peaked in 2017
 

Tam

Brigadier
Registered Member
The details of CATL's battery swap stations were unveiled:

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According to Moneyball, China will have 12,500 - 51,900 swap stations by 2025. Long termly, China may need to build 550,000 swap stations for passage cars and 60,000 swap stations for heavy commercial vehicles, at a cost of RMB1.8 trillion, or approximately 27 billion in today's US dollar terms (quite affordable in my view).

Some other news from CATL: they have developed a production/recycle system that recycles 99.3% of core metals used in the batteries:

According to the head of transportation at BloombergNEF, here is the prediction for 2022's global EV market: total EV (battery electric vehicle + plug-in) production of more than 10.5 million (8 million BEVs), of these, 6 million in China, 3.2 million in Europe:

Interestingly, it seems that China's ICE production peaked in 2017


Sam Evans the Electric Viking would be happy to hear this. He was already making the bold prediction that China would hit more than 6 million EVs in 2022, double of the previous year. He said that some people said he was crazy for making this prediction. Can't remember which video is that as he rats off videos faster than a machine gun.

For something else that is interesting.

 

SteelBird

Colonel
What do you mean by sister or the Hiphi-X? Are you saying that these 2 companies have some sort or partnership/ownership?
You need to check the relationship of the two bosses; Mr. Jia, boss of the Faraday Future and the boss of Human Horizon, Mr. Ding Lei. So far as I know, they were some type of partners to develop the FF91. Jia ran away (to The US) due to some reason. Ding continued with the concept and result in the Hiphi-X. Jia later on restarted the concept in the US and become the FF91. The two vehicles look very identical but no one accuses the other side for copycat.
 

Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
Registered Member
You need to check the relationship of the two bosses; Mr. Jia, boss of the Faraday Future and the boss of Human Horizon, Mr. Ding Lei. So far as I know, they were some type of partners to develop the FF91. Jia ran away (to The US) due to some reason. Ding continued with the concept and result in the Hiphi-X. Jia later on restarted the concept in the US and become the FF91. The two vehicles look very identical but no one accuses the other side for copycat.
Now I remember, Jia is that loser who were unable to deliver to his boastful promises he made to investors, excited consumers. He bled his company and investors dry and lost $280M back in 2017 and onwards. I could care less about that leech.

I don't think he's still part of the company due to the restructuring that was set in place in order doe rhetoric company to remain solvent.

I don't have an ounce of respect for anyone who chooses to leave the country then bashes their motherland just to ingratiate themselves to their new master. It's pathetic and worst than s..m.
 

B.I.B.

Captain
It isn't that you can't tow something with an EV. It is just that you will have greatly decreased range. So if you expect to pull a trailer on a long trip and back you can forget about it.
The other day I spoke to a Great Wall dealer and asked him the same question. He was rather hesitant in recommending buying any EV if towing a heavy load was an essential requirement unless it was "specifically rated" 1200kg plus It had something to do with the complexities of regenerative breaking with the extra weight putting a load on the system etc etc.. He said if towing was a requirement then some European cars and Tesla are going through the process of doing just that.
 

supercat

Major
Most of the world's lithium batteries are produced in China:
China’s share of global lithium-ion battery production capacity was 76 percent in 2020; the U.S. share? A mere 8 percent.
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However, Chinese government still sees a role for hydrogen fuel (for heavy commercial vehicles in the future, which I agree) and will set up some fuel cell EV demo areas involving cities in Henan, Shandong, Shanghai, Foshan & Ningxia.
 
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