New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

supercat

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It's about time.

CAAM urges caution for Chinese automakers in buying US chips​

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China’s share of global electric car market rises to 76%​

Market share increases after strong demand within country offsets risks from western tariffs on Chinese-made EVs
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Notice: the correct number for BYD is 3.47 million, not 1.87 million. Geely and Changan did well in 2024.
 

iewgnem

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Taiwanese firm halts plan to build $1B battery plant in B.C. with federal support


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NorthVolt declared bankruptcy and now this.
Stellantis ceo just quit the job. What is the reason behind this?
$1 billion for 350 jobs, from a company not on any chart, it was always a scam, typical for Taiwan, typical for Canada.

Canada's battery plants are all DOA, all are building obsolete old low performing NMC chemistry that nobody can afford, turns out that also means nobody can afford the battery plants either.
 

coolgod

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I wonder how do white Canadians really feel about Wanwanese. Do they genuinely believe Wanwanese are like a different ethnicity than Chinese, or do they believe Wanwanese are just a politically correct version of Chinese? If it is the latter, I can see why they continuously fall for dumb Wanwanese scams. Either way, they deserve to get scammed.
 

Lethe

Captain
Unless BYD roll out hybrids, I think their market share figure here in Indonesia will remain at a sad single digit. Sadly, there isnt any indication of them getting to do so. The most common models I see here is the SEAL, which at IDR 755m price point, is uber expensive sedan only for the rich. The newly launched M6 lose out in aesthetic and size to the Toyota Innova which are now available in hybrid.

Apologies for digging up a post from a couple of months ago, but I was recently looking at some Indonesian automotive sales data for the current year and found it all rather fascinating.

The first thing that struck me is just how concentrated the Indonesian automotive market is. Bearing in mind that Daihatsu is now wholly owned by Toyota, the two brands combine to give Toyota Motor Corporation some ~55% of total sales! In that context, for BYD or any other brand to also achieve double-digit market share is a daunting task, and indeed Honda is the only other brand that meets that criteria. Given the low-level of electrification that Indonesia is building from, it seems just about impossible for BYD to achieve double-digit market share in the short-term. Indeed, even if every EV sold in Indonesia was a BYD, they would still command less than 5% market share! By way of comparison, Toyota is the only brand in Australia with double-digit market share, commanding 19.5% of sales YTD (or 20.6% including Lexus, Daihatsu exited Australia in the mid-2000s). Ford is #2 at 8% and obviously it goes downhill from there.

The other thing that sticks out is that, although 2024 is a down year (-15%) for the Indonesian market as a whole, it seems to have been a very good year for Chinese brands and for the growth of EV sales, the great majority of which are from Chinese brands. Even Wuling as the leading Chinese brand (#7 overall) is down only 2.5%, while BYD has immediately secured a place in the Top 10 and Chery is there also after nearly doubling sales compared to 2023. So the green shoots do seem to be there for a promising future for Chinese brands in Indonesia.

Also, what is the best public source for Indonesian sales data? In my browsing I have encountered several sites presenting somewhat different figures (variation ~10%) despite ostensibly describing the same period. Is all the data ultimately coming from Gaikindo or is there a second source?
 
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sunnymaxi

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FAW Hongqi successfully completed the research and development of electric drive technology, and the volume and weight dropped by 15%

project team has innovatively overcome key technologies such as large-speed ratio planetary gear reducer, high-density and high-efficiency electromagnetic topology, integrated high-compact inverter and full-domain deep frequency conversion control strategy. This makes the new electric drive system compared with the traditional parallel-axis electric drive, with a volume compression of 39% and a weight reduction of 15%.

These improvements free up the X-direction space of the vehicle cabin and can increase the volume of the hybrid fuel tank by about 7 liters. At the same time, they also free up the Z-direction space, thereby reducing the height of the floor surface in the car and increasing the luggage space by 5 to 10 liters. These improvements not only expand the user's use space, but also improve the cruising range, providing users with an economical and efficient driving experience.

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