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Re: new twin 35mm SPAAG.
I personally would prefer four cannons.
Like the Pantsir.
I personally would prefer four cannons.
Like the Pantsir.
Baibar of Jalat
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Re: new twin 35mm SPAAG.
Like the 25mm SPAAG, I assume they will fit missiles onto platform? I expect they will just fix manpads on side similiar to previous 25mm system.
Like the 25mm SPAAG, I assume they will fit missiles onto platform? I expect they will just fix manpads on side similiar to previous 25mm system.
Re: new twin 35mm SPAAG.
It's not new, as Steelbird points out. Here's an illustration of it:
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It appears to have AHEAD style fuse setting which combined with the 4km effective range of the 35mm cannons makes it superior to the Type-95, even with the latter's SAMs.
It's not new, as Steelbird points out. Here's an illustration of it:
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It appears to have AHEAD style fuse setting which combined with the 4km effective range of the 35mm cannons makes it superior to the Type-95, even with the latter's SAMs.
Re: new twin 35mm SPAAG.
Dear Sirs:
The blurry pictures of the 35 mm SPAAG system in challenges post, all seem to have been taken from the rear of the vehicle. That's why we see a square object - which I first thought of as a phased-array, fire-control radar, between the two guns, but now it seems to be merely the back of the turret.
That was rather disappointing as one would think that if they bothered to equip the system with a phased-array search radar (with what looks like to be an integrated IFF array on top) they would do the same for the actual engagement radar as it would provide the parameters for effective fire-control, especially if, in the future this system is to be equipped with surface-to-air missiles (like almost everyone here either believes or has suggested).
It seems to me the Chinese AA people are conceptually still stuck in the 1970's an 1980's, copying and producing weapon systems that tend to resemble the mobile AA equipment of that era.
The Russians (former Soviets) are far ahead in this game and the development of AA systems like the Pantsir SA-22 sets the standard for all weapons of this sort.
Even making the guns more effective by equipping them with an Oerlikon-like AHEAD fusing system is still represents an incremental improvement in what is basically a gun-only design. The whole concept relies too much on the guns and their limited range and destructive capabilities. It is quite likely to be overwhelmed in the event of a saturation attack.
When the Tunguska SA-19 system debuted, the Russians already showed the way - couple a longer-ranged, high-speed, high-maneuverability, rapid-reacting missile system as the primary air-defense system to a pair of AA guns as last line of defense. The SA-22 is merely the latest incarnation of this concept.
Even then these Soviet-era system were conceived as parts of an integrated air-defense network, merely serving as the point-defense part.
China should work towards creating this type of integrated system, rather than fielding separate systems not originally designed to work together.
Dear Sirs:
The blurry pictures of the 35 mm SPAAG system in challenges post, all seem to have been taken from the rear of the vehicle. That's why we see a square object - which I first thought of as a phased-array, fire-control radar, between the two guns, but now it seems to be merely the back of the turret.
That was rather disappointing as one would think that if they bothered to equip the system with a phased-array search radar (with what looks like to be an integrated IFF array on top) they would do the same for the actual engagement radar as it would provide the parameters for effective fire-control, especially if, in the future this system is to be equipped with surface-to-air missiles (like almost everyone here either believes or has suggested).
It seems to me the Chinese AA people are conceptually still stuck in the 1970's an 1980's, copying and producing weapon systems that tend to resemble the mobile AA equipment of that era.
The Russians (former Soviets) are far ahead in this game and the development of AA systems like the Pantsir SA-22 sets the standard for all weapons of this sort.
Even making the guns more effective by equipping them with an Oerlikon-like AHEAD fusing system is still represents an incremental improvement in what is basically a gun-only design. The whole concept relies too much on the guns and their limited range and destructive capabilities. It is quite likely to be overwhelmed in the event of a saturation attack.
When the Tunguska SA-19 system debuted, the Russians already showed the way - couple a longer-ranged, high-speed, high-maneuverability, rapid-reacting missile system as the primary air-defense system to a pair of AA guns as last line of defense. The SA-22 is merely the latest incarnation of this concept.
Even then these Soviet-era system were conceived as parts of an integrated air-defense network, merely serving as the point-defense part.
China should work towards creating this type of integrated system, rather than fielding separate systems not originally designed to work together.
SteelBird
Colonel
Re: new twin 35mm SPAAG.
As I mention before, the twin 35mm AA is no new thing. Perhaps, it's a fail project (just guessing). Have you ever heard it being deployed any where? Maybe, to PLA, type 95 is already enough because it has four barrels, integrated with missile and more flexible. If they develop further, then it would be a mobile missile launching system. In short, you can say that it's an outdated product, but you can't say that it's a recent product.
As I mention before, the twin 35mm AA is no new thing. Perhaps, it's a fail project (just guessing). Have you ever heard it being deployed any where? Maybe, to PLA, type 95 is already enough because it has four barrels, integrated with missile and more flexible. If they develop further, then it would be a mobile missile launching system. In short, you can say that it's an outdated product, but you can't say that it's a recent product.
Re: new twin 35mm SPAAG.
Poland actually introduced there new twin 35mm SPAAG ,it mounted on T-72 chassic,aside from radar tracking it also augment by EO/IR/LRF.
this allow silent tracking of enemy aircraft.
Poland actually introduced there new twin 35mm SPAAG ,it mounted on T-72 chassic,aside from radar tracking it also augment by EO/IR/LRF.
this allow silent tracking of enemy aircraft.
S-300PMU/HQ-9 guidance system..
according to the latest issue of defense international,when S-300 first seen by US spy satelite,,it was assume that her guidance missile like patriot SAM uses TVM guidance system,stolen from raytheon.
it was not until the in the mid -90's that west learn that S-300PMU utilized SSGG guidance system.
SSGG guidance is very similiar to the TVM guidance,while patriot signal processing was process in the groun then up link to the missile,SSGG guidance signal processing was done inside the missile then down link back to the ground station for further analysis then up link back to the missile.
it is assume that HQ-9 also adapt SSGG guidancemwhile KS-1 may use TVM guidance.
according to the latest issue of defense international,when S-300 first seen by US spy satelite,,it was assume that her guidance missile like patriot SAM uses TVM guidance system,stolen from raytheon.
it was not until the in the mid -90's that west learn that S-300PMU utilized SSGG guidance system.
SSGG guidance is very similiar to the TVM guidance,while patriot signal processing was process in the groun then up link to the missile,SSGG guidance signal processing was done inside the missile then down link back to the ground station for further analysis then up link back to the missile.
it is assume that HQ-9 also adapt SSGG guidancemwhile KS-1 may use TVM guidance.