Myanmar/Burma civil conflict

resistance said:

I don't think it's America plan. This contradict their grand strategy to contain china. Even if that's true, it's good for china.

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I think china should rather force SAC to retract terrorist status and recognize MNDAA special region like how USWA got. This will also help SAC to consolidate elsewhere where they have chance to win.

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The US tried to stage a color revolution in China in 1989, this was before the dissolution of the USSR. US-China relations back then is comparable to US-India relations now.

The US will not allow a second China to form, that's why it is crucial for them to kneecap India early.

gelgoog said:

It is the Tonya Harding school of kneecapping everyone else so you remain on top. India is not playing ball and keeps good relations with Russia so they need to be taught a lesson.

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It's very unlikely US, if you're in a relay race and you're behind by a few hundred meters, why would you even think about kneecapping your teammates? Worry first about catching up and winning, then about kneecapping everyone around you so you look better relative to your own team. All they would be achieving is kneecapping all of China's enemies so China only needs to worry about staying ahead of 1 guy instead of several.

No, US is scraping the barrel to find "strength" they can use against China, even highly untrustworthy actors like India. In the case of Europe, they are not "kneecapping" Europe, but rather using them as a meatshield to save America from recession. Like a lord under a siege first eating the cows, then the grain, then the family dog, and finally his peasant retainers (EU).

Imho unrest in India is the natural conclusion of decades of Indian domestic mismanagement and corruption. And sometimes MSS also gives them something to play with so they stay occupied instead of stirring up shit.

Index said:

It's very unlikely US, if you're in a relay race and you're behind by a few hundred meters, why would you even think about kneecapping your teammates? Worry first about catching up and winning, then about kneecapping everyone around you so you look better relative to your own team. All they would be achieving is kneecapping all of China's enemies so China only needs to worry about staying ahead of 1 guy instead of several.

No, US is scraping the barrel to find "strength" they can use against China, even highly untrustworthy actors like India. In the case of Europe, they are not "kneecapping" Europe, but rather using them as a meatshield to save America from recession. Like a lord under a siege first eating the cows, then the grain, then the family dog, and finally his peasant retainers (EU).

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This thread is about Myanmar, I made a separate thread on the related instability in north east India.

The US is heavily involved with the instability in the region. The US backs many Myanmar EAOs. The US backs the previous opposition parties in Bangladesh including the BNP. The US backs Christian Kukus living in Myanmar, and probably some Meitei separatist organizations too.

Index said:

Imho unrest in India is the natural conclusion of decades of Indian domestic mismanagement and corruption. And sometimes MSS also gives them something to play with so they stay occupied instead of stirring up shit.

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I wish the MSS could take credit for doing these things, but tbh the MSS is doing absolutely nothing. We have to give credit where credit is due, that is the US.

coolgod said:

This thread is about Myanmar, I made a separate thread on the related instability in north east India.

Ethnic Conflict in Northeast India

Since the most recent flareup in tribal violence in Northeast India is ongoing, I thought it would be good to post updates in a dedicated thread instead of spamming the other threads. Much clearer drone action shots compared to the conflict in Ukraine. The damage to civilian infrastructure...

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The US is heavily involved with the instability in the region. The US backs many Myanmar EAOs. The US backs the previous opposition parties in Bangladesh including the BNP. The US backs Christian Kukus living in Myanmar, and probably some Meitei separatist organizations too.


I wish the MSS could take credit for doing these things, but tbh the MSS is doing absolutely nothing. We have to give credit where credit is due, that is the US.

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It's not US, just Indian chronic mismanagement, US is actually trying to shore up and cover up Indian incidents whenever possible, like when they even allowed India to assassinate people on western soil. Again why would you take out your own teammates when you know you need everything you got to match your competition?

If MSS was doing nothing, China wouldn't be dominant in the cold war with economy, foreign policy etc. Most of the time they are not activated with intent to cause huge amounts of chaos, because it doesn't benefit China very much. They're still present, passing on intel, setting things up so that China's myriad foreign interests continue to work etc.

Index said:

It's not US, just Indian chronic mismanagement, US is actually trying to shore up and cover up Indian incidents whenever possible, like when they even allowed India to assassinate people on western soil. Again why would you take out your own teammates when you know you need everything you got to match your competition?

If MSS was doing nothing, China wouldn't be dominant in the cold war with economy, foreign policy etc. Most of the time they are not activated with intent to cause huge amounts of chaos, because it doesn't benefit China very much. They're still present, passing on intel, setting things up so that China's myriad foreign interests continue to work etc.

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coolgod said:

The US tried to stage a color revolution in China in 1989, this was before the dissolution of the USSR. US-China relations back then is comparable to US-India relations now.

The US will not allow a second China to form, that's why it is crucial for them to kneecap India early.

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I already gave you an example, it's like asking why did the US try to stage a color revolution in China in 1989 when China was already a good US teammate against the Soviet Union.

coolgod said:

I already gave you an example, it's like asking why did the US try to stage a color revolution in China in 1989 when China was already a good US teammate against the Soviet Union.

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And the difference is that US doesn't need any other country to outcompete USSR, while they alone are not enough to compete with China.

A more apt comparison might be why Khrushchev alienated China when he needed all the powerful allies he could get to compete with US. Which can mostly be summarized in that Khrushchev was idiotic. But I'm not seeing concrete evidence of US following in Khrushchev path and initiating Ameri-Indian split, especially when as I stated above, Indian appeasement strategy is well and alive.

Index said:

And the difference is that US doesn't need any other country to outcompete USSR, while they alone are not enough to compete with China.

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I think most people disagree with your take, the US needed many allies to outcompete USSR, including China.

Index said:

A more apt comparison might be why Khrushchev alienated China when he needed all the powerful allies he could get to compete with US. Which can mostly be summarized in that Khrushchev was idiotic. But I'm not seeing concrete evidence of US following in Khrushchev path and initiating Ameri-Indian split, especially when as I stated above, Indian appeasement strategy is well and alive.

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The US uses the carrot and the stick. You've pointed out the carrot, but you are ignoring the stick which is the looming threat to Indian national security in its north east.

coolgod said:

The US tried to stage a color revolution in China in 1989, this was before the dissolution of the USSR. US-China relations back then is comparable to US-India relations now.

The US will not allow a second China to form, that's why it is crucial for them to kneecap India early.

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US already seen Soviet were greatly declining in 1989. Soviet withdraw from afghan, their economy not doing fine. US no longer needed china to counter USSR in 1989.

coolgod said:

The US is heavily involved with the instability in the region. The US backs many Myanmar EAOs. The US backs the previous opposition parties in Bangladesh including the BNP. The US backs Christian Kukus living in Myanmar, and probably some Meitei separatist organizations too.

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China also involved too. The most strong EAOs that are fighting now has Chinese ties, not US. Even US supports kukis or kicking India puppet out in Bangladesh, isn't that a good thing? China should support insurgent in northeast India so china can get southern tibet back.

coolgod said:

I think most people disagree with your take, the US needed many allies to outcompete USSR, including China.

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Only because some people here gas the USSR to high heaven by virtue of it being communist.

USSR economic indicators throughout its history were even worse relative to America than America's is now versus China. You're hypocritical if you think China beats America through economic means yet USSR, despite very much being the America to cold war America's China, would outcompete US magically despite having a smaller economy and way higher military spending.

coolgod said:

The US uses the carrot and the stick. You've pointed out the carrot, but you are ignoring the stick which is the looming threat to Indian national security in its north east.

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I mean this is some "he is too humble to say he is the mahdi, even more reason he is" reasoning. US supports India with their media, offers weapon sales and even covers hindutva atrocities for them, at their own political cost. Having all their investments into India nuked by someone (not MSS solo effort, more like them just fanning flames of ethnic hatred Indians sowed by their own behavior) plunging India's most populous regions into anarchy benefits US nothing. It removes 1.8 billion people from China's enemy list.

Only ones I see claiming CIA involvement is hindutva crazies, which are claiming MSS involvement at the same time. As I see it, sure China benefits from fanning the flames, but it's 95% India's own doing.

resistance said:

China also involved too. The most strong EAOs that are fighting now has Chinese ties, not US. Even US supports kukis or kicking India puppet out in Bangladesh, isn't that a good thing? China should support insurgent in northeast India so china can get southern tibet back.

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Index said:

Only ones I see claiming CIA involvement is hindutva crazies, which are claiming MSS involvement at the same time. As I see it, sure China benefits from fanning the flames, but it's 95% India's own doing.

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I don't want to argue with you two on this point, since this is the wrong thread and I think it is kind of pointless. I just hope the situation continues its existing trend in north east India. Whoever is fanning the flames there I wish them best of luck. I'd prefer if the instability stays in India and not Bangladesh or Myanmar.